Deli at Joralemon and Clinton Robbed; Suspected Thieves Caught

The Eagle reports that, on last Thursday evening at 7:00, a group of twenty or so young men and teenagers entered the Sunny Gourmet Deli (photo), on Joralemon Street just west of Clinton, and, in the words of owner Joe Kim, “they were grabbing candy and sodas, stuffing their pockets and book bags.” Not all of the youths stole; one, according to Kim, paid for an Arizona Iced Tea. On the way out, one of the group smashed the glass in the deli’s door (note that, in the photo, the open door is sheathed in plywood). A shard of glass hit a woman; fortunately, her injury was slight enough that she was able to accompany Kim to help identify the thieves.

According to the Eagle story, Judy Stanton, the then soon to retire executive director of the Brooklyn Heights Association, was instrumental in apprehending the thieves. A witness called her at 7:30 and said she was having trouble contacting the police. (The story notes that, at the time, “911 was triaging backlogged calls.”) Stanton called 84th Precinct Community Affairs Officer Sal Ferrante, who dispatched police to the deli. One witness had tracked the thieves to Pier 2, Brooklyn Bridge Park, where they were playing basketball. Ferrante radioed cops at Pier 2, and Kim and the woman witness went there to identify four suspects, who were arrested.

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  • Sen. Bob Forehead

    DO IT! How about something for Seniors?

  • MaryT

    Just because a kid is dark skinned doesn’t mean s/he’s poor. And poor doesn’t mean s/he’s criminally inclined. These kids were opportunistic vandals. If I was their mother, they’d be in deep doo-doo.

    I believe that the carnival atmosphere in the ‘park’ is somewhat to blame. It’s not a city park. It’s an amusement park that’s open all year round. Money is at the root.

    These levels of noise and trash and rude behavior are new to us. We can’t be the only neighborhood in history that’s been affected in this way. What steps have other communities taken?

  • ltap917

    If the basketball courts are in use until 1AM, I say close them at a decent hour. People don’t move to Brooklyn Heights in order to take advantage of the park. The Heights used to be a quiet peaceful place to live. Not anymore. How sad.

  • StudioBrooklyn

    Zing! As sharp-witted as he is good-looking. What an honor!

  • StudioBrooklyn

    Are you saying that the element causing the Heights to no longer be a quiet place to live is rowdy traffic moving between elsewhere in Brooklyn and the basketball courts on Pier 2, specifically? (What about the courts at Adam Yauch?) So, our neighborhood just happens to be in the way of this particular group of people, and if we close the basketball courts, they’ll presumably find some other basketball courts and whatever neighborhood lies between them and said courts will receive the brunt of their rowdiness instead?

    Even if such a far-fetched notion panned out, doesn’t it seem a little bit problematic to just try to re-direct unwanted traffic onto some unsuspecting nearby neighborhood? And if not, how would one go about “closing” the courts on Pier 2? Erect gates at either entrance and close the whole pier? Erect a fence around only the basketball courts specifically? What if these miscreants get a taste for shuffleboard? Would our neighborhood or the city-wide parks commission pay for such a fence and its upkeep?

  • StudioBrooklyn

    You mean…like shuffleboard?

  • Greg

    Smorgasburg is moving from Pier 5 – that should decrease pedestrian traffic (on Sundays at least).

  • StudioBrooklyn

    Excellent points (except that last suggestion–it seems a little naive to think someone would arrive at Borough Hall, not find their way out at Joralemon, and give up and turn back instead of just exiting at Montague and continuing to the park, especially as any closed subway exit would have signage that redirects to the next available exit, and there must also be a good portion of late-night park visitors who arrive by bus or car or skateboard or wormhole or something).

    But who’s going to finance all of these suggestions? Enforcement of park closure can be very costly, by involving personnel or locked gates or both, as can increasing police presence. Should the additional burden be carried by the city? By our neighborhood, or particularly Joralemon homeowners, since it would be a concession designed to benefit their tenants (and therein lies another issue!)?

    Not trying to rain on your parade, BH Resident–your first paragraph in particular was very resonant–but rather I’m trying to illustrate the ways in which solutions geared toward regulating the use of the park, rather than at addressing the origins of criminal activity, quickly escalate in complexity and unfeasibility.

  • Eddyde

    The only thing I find remarkable about this story is that the cops not only bothered to look for the perps but actually caught them.

  • Eddyde

    “This incident shows the degree of real danger we are in” Really? A bunch of kids shoplifting candy and breaking a door doesn’t scare me one bit. You sound like a real Chicken $#!T.

  • BH Resident

    Studio, in listing potential suggestions there was an attempt to not only identify, the main destination of traffic to the park, but also it’s origin point. This is also commonly known as “brainstorming” which is typically the first step in solving a problem for which there is no clear solution.

    Regarding financing, it only seems logical that the party responsible for the increase in traffic and associated vice be held accountable. Brooklyn Bridge Park Association has demonstrated gross negligence in failing to account for how their grand urban planning proposal would impact the adjacent residential areas. At several times during the inception of the “park” requests by resident for environmental impact studies were constantly rebuffed. When the notion of creating a park was first suggested, many residents raised the issue that Joralemon would become the main thoroughfare to the park. Despite much glad-handing and reassurances by the Brooklyn Bridge Park Association and promises that Atlantic Avenue would be the designated entrance to the park, Joralemon has become the path of least resistance. At no point has the BBPA furnished an impact study that demonstrates how they would take steps to prevent the overflow of traffic from the park from damaging the adjacent neighborhoods. Given the sizable amount of revenue that the park is generating just from luxury housing, I don’t think it is unreasonable that the BBPA be required to regulate a problem that there were instrumental in creating. It is also worth noting that if not for the desirability of the neighborhood pre-BBP that development of the area would never have been possible. If additional taxes would guarantee a return to the quaint, charming days from before the arrival of Brooklyn Bridge Park, I would have no trouble paying for the peace of mind. The numerous posts from other residents on this blog echoing the same sentiment seem to demonstrate that I am not alone. As a resident of this neighborhood, I would not only question your motivation for encouraging lawlessness and disrespect but also whether you have any positive suggestions for remediation. So far you seem to be content and somewhat adept at finding flaws with the suggestions posted by other residents, but have to failed to contribute any positive way towards finding a solution. I would also argue your point that the suggestions in my previous post lack feasibility as similar solutions regarding the closure of streets have been implemented in other parts of the US with varying degrees of success. For you own edification I would direct you to read the following article from the Center for Policy Guided Policing:

    As to responsibility and accountability, if Regina Myers and the BBPA refuse to acknowledge their role in creating this problem or even entertain solutions suggested by the community, it may be raising the specter of a class-action lawsuit against the Brooklyn Bridge Park Association for negligence and endangerment. Last I checked this is not a park, but rather a 501c with very deep pockets and an interest in avoiding any associated negative publicity.

  • bklyn20

    In 2011, the BBPC ejected artists from the park. Earlier this year, the BBPC ejected people handing out leaflets about the pier 6 towers. Aren’t these constitutionally protected activities, in a public space — a park? But wait – BBPC is not designated parkland, but rather, a development project. Does that allow them to remove people at their whim?

    The park administrators say that crime and malfeasance in the park, or originating in the park, is “a police problem.” If the BBPC can kick out artists and peaceful citizens expressing their opinions, why can’t they eject people making actual trouble in the park?

    There was a shooting in the park earlier this year. Citizens living near the park must tolerate park visitors jumping on their cars, and people exiting the park threatening residents to “get out of my way.” Twice this year, a mailbox close to the park entrance was set on fire. Do the people in PierHouse have to worry about such situations?

    The Brooklyn Bridge Park Corporation created this environment, and now must take responsibility for their mistakes. Who wants a “FrankenPark?”

  • StudioBrooklyn

    More interesting points! If I have time I’ll respond more in depth but for now you’ve got me stroking my chin and nodding and thinking and going “hmmm.”

  • Danny K

    This is just sad.

  • Willow Street Watch

    Mr. Moderator, I don’t engage in personized insults, why do you allow a few commentors to almost constantly engage in this kind of behavior?

  • Arch Stanton

    Because he probably agrees.

  • Willow Street Watch

    They caught FOUR out of TWENTY. Certainly everyone is glad the system SOMEWHAT worked. But as above, sixteen mutts are struting around crowing how the acted out on judge land and got totally away….

    The bottom line is, this is the SECOND major failure of the 911system in three weeks.

  • RJG

    You’re just plain wrong about BHB and Claude Scales!
    As for Willow Street Watch, it’s best to keep her/him busy at the keyboard. At least then people don’t have to listen to her/him holding forth at the corner of Hicks and Montague or the R as it goes back and forth through the tunnel.

  • Willow Street Watch

    Or snide, non contributive posts…

  • Willow Street Watch

    I decided to largely let this public “discourse” to play out with little intervention. I want to see if any valid insights or good overviews would be developed. As I thought, what I found was a predicable storm of prattle and lower brain thinking.

    WITH the EXCEPTION of the idea of legal action against Regina and company. What a basic great, why didn’t anyone bring this up till now, idea/concept!….

    Of course! Its a private for profit corporation which is damaging surrounding areas…sue the b*@%#&+D’s,!!!
    And of course, do it in FEDERAL court. Being free to
    walk the streets without threat IS a protected constitutional right……..

  • Willow Street Watch

    Now that the storm of binality and rain pubble deep insight/ thinking has subsided here are a few realities for everyone to adjust to:

    1) the system of public safety is increasingly disfunctional…
    As above, this is the SECOND MAJOR failure of 911 in
    two weeks
    2) And contrary to what the BHA/BHP/NYPD or Heights
    “leadership” thinks or wants, the average sane Heights
    resident is NOT going to transverse a worsening scene

    This entire scene folks, already took place in the 1970’s
    We had; an insane mayor, a disinterested police brass,
    (Then) we had a precinct captain solely interested in his
    career, a car load of people who would dismiss or excuse
    anything the gangs in the projects were doing in the
    Heights, and a Heights “leadership” who were only
    interested in remaining as the centerpiece of the political
    and social worlds. No matter the number of innocent
    heads and lives broken and the flight of our most
    stabilizing elements there was no real concern anywhere.

  • Sen. Bob Forehead

    PERFECT! How soon do we start ripping out the Bball courts??

  • Sen. Bob Forehead

    Ah, YUP correctamundo StuBro! That’s the way it was for 25 years before the park opened. Renamed Adam Yauch park has always draw some folks from out of the hood, but it’s about 1/20th the size of the pier courts, so there were never the large crowds and ensuing kerfuffles. There was even less traffic after the courts across the street on Atlantic Ave were built over with a parking garage for the now defunct Hospital. Closing the courts at the piers is easy, rip out the hoops and paint over the courts – 1 day DONE, 3 weeks if the city does it. Statistically, shuffleboard has far fewer shootings and less crimal activity associated with it than the cities Bball courts, so YES shuffleboard it is!

  • StudioBrooklyn

    I remain open to seeing data/facts to support* your (and others’) assertion of the causal relationship between the Pier 2 courts and the [alleged*] uptick in local crime. From where I sit it only seems fair that the courts are innocent until proven guilty.

    More problematic is the continued notion I’m seeing, that Brooklyn Heights should be entitled to shut itself off from selected parts of the rest of the city. We get a little whiff of crime that regularly plagues other neighborhoods and people start acting like this is some kind of gated community, and will do anything to keep undesirable aspects of city living out of sight, out of mind, while showing no interest in addressing the sources of those aspects. Seems irresponsible to me.

  • StudioBrooklyn

    You’ll be delighted to know there are two shuffleboard courts waiting for you on Pier 2. You have to bring your own equipment. Hopefully with the walker and bran reserves it won’t be too much to carry.

  • StudioBrooklyn

    This reminds me of a debate I’d seen a year or two ago about the way conservatives point to spending patterns as indicators of economic status when it’s convenient for their assertions about the poor. Here’s a random article on the subject:

    And here’s a quote (as food for your thoughts) from the late great Maya Angelou’s IKWTCBS: “Hence the janitor who lives in one room but sports a robin’s-egg-blue Cadillac is not laughed at but admired, and the domestic who buys forty-dollar shoes is not criticized but is appreciated.”

  • BKNYnative

    Actually I asked about the equipment the other day cause it seemed weird to me to expect people to have their own, you can rent from the roller rink!

  • BKNYnative

    Actually it’s moving to Prospect Park for a couple months.

  • StudioBrooklyn

    i suspected that might be the case. Hopefully the White Squares and other gangs of elderly retirees won’t be attracted by this