EDC Staffers Offer Little Hope for Helicopter Noise Reduction; Velazquez Urges Bloomberg to Ban Tourist Flights

Two representatives of the City’s Economic Development Commission, Josh Nachowitz and Patricia Ornst, gave a presentation yesterday to the Finance District Committee of Community Board 1, which encompasses downtown Manhattan, concerning efforts to alleviate noise from helicopters using the Downtown Manhattan Heliport. Several Brooklynites were present by invitation, including Judy Stanton, Executive Director of the Brooklyn Heights Association, BHB reader and frequent commenter Jeffrey J. Smith, a woman resident of One Brooklyn Bridge Park, and your correspondent. The EDC duo began by asserting that there has been a reduction in helicopter noise complaints, but, when asked, couldn’t say by how much. They then shifted to saying there had been a reduction in the number of flights because of the agreement to end “short tours” that circled the Statue of Liberty then returned to the Heliport. Asked about a recent increase in flights, Ms. Ornst echoed T.S. Eliot in saying April is the cruellest month, breeding not lilacs out of dead land but tourists yearning to see New York city from aloft.

Asked if the city could limit the number of flights from the Downtown Heliport, Mr. Nachowitz said there is a “capacity limit,” but didn’t specify what that limit is. At one point, there was a mention of 200 flights having occurred daily; asked if this meant a total of 400 takeoffs and landings, Mr. Nachowitz said, “Not necessarily.” The EDC representatives said the limits on flight paths were being effectively enforced, with four pilots having been hit with $1,000 fines for violations. Mr. Nachowitz urged residents to use the 311 reporting system, specifying the helicopter’s color, tail number and location. Asked about the effectiveness of such complaints in determining violations leading to fines had occurred, he said there were ways of corroborating 311 complaints so that violations could be verified.

A downtown Manhattan resident who serves on the C.B. 1 Financial District Committee raised the issue of pollution from helicopter engine exhaust, which he said is blown into the streets and is hazardous to residents’ health. He asked if the EDC was willing to cooperate with the EPA and the Committee in studying this problem; the EDC representatives said that was possible.

Mr. Smith, brandishing a sheaf of computer printouts, said that a few minutes of web research had produced numerous examples of safety violations by the helicopter industry, and that the industry was notorious for its casual approach to safety. He said that continued operation of tourist flights from the Downtown Heliport assured that there would be a serious accident.

A representative from State Senator Daniel Squadron’s office said that the Senator had been involved in negotiating the agreement on limiting tourist flights, but had now concluded, as had other elected officials, that the issues of noise and safety could not be satisfactorily addressed except by a complete ban on tourist flights. The EDC representatives responded that such a ban would simply mean that the flights would continue, but that they would originate in New Jersey, thereby eliminating the City’s ability to regulate flight paths. Ms. Stanton pointed out that moving the flights to New Jersey would be a good result from the perspective of Brooklyn and downtown Manhattan residents, as it would eliminate the noise of takeoffs and landings, as well as helicopters warming up or idling on the Heliport.

We have also, courtesy of the BHA, received a copy of a letter, dated yesterday, from U.S. Representative Nydia Velazquez to Mayor Bloomberg, urging the Mayor to ban tourist helicopter flights. Noting the efforts to mitigate the noise and safety issues over the past year, she said that it is now evident to her, as well as to state and city officials who have also been involved, that “incremental steps will not address the core problem.” Her letter notes that the noise problem arises not just from helicopters in flight, but from those doing the mandatory half hour warm-up before takeoff. The water around the Heliport amplifies the sound of the helicopters’ rotors, increasing the impact on nearby residents. Her letter also stresses the safety issues, noting that the Federal Aviation Administration doesn’t regulate flights under 1,500 feet and pointing to a fatal collision that occurred in August of 2009. Her letter continued:

All concerned parties have worked to find compromise, but the solutions to date have not addressed the underlying problem — namely, that helicopter tours are a bad fit in such a densely populated urban area. The city’s tourism would not suffer if tourist helicopter rides were suspended. In fact, the quality of life and neighborhood tourist destinations on the ground would improve. Tourists can find equally spectacular views of the city skyline at Brooklyn Bridge Park or the Brooklyn Heights Promenade and other world-famous destinations, without noise that disrupts the community.

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  • Daffy Duck

    Bloomberg hates Brooklyn.

  • Jeffrey j Smith

    Yes this is “let’s see how insensitive we can be” government
    very typical of a bloomberg type.

    But is ALSO basic training to adjust to your new status as subjects
    You are being aclimitized to having officialdom do anything it wants
    and you have no recourse.

    THATS why all of your neighborhood associations and “leading figures never call for the simple step of legal action or simple
    well organized collection of legal standard evidence just like
    what was dont on the west side at 30th St..which is how the
    problem GOT dumped into your laps.

    Why isnt out “leaders” or our “free press” mentioning direct
    legal action?…The Heights is too poor or too without legal
    representation?

    No, this is ALL prisoner training for your transition from US
    Citizens with its priceless protections and your new status
    under the system now being installed.

  • epc

    I’ve searched for but cannot find any comments from Councilman Levin on the helicopter issue. Anyone know what his position is?

  • Andrew Porter

    The crash of one of the helicopters used in the raid on Osama bin Laden’s lair in Pakistan shows that stealth technology, to limit the noise of and ability of radar to detect helicopters, is being developed. Just as present airliners are substantially quieter and less polluting than such aircraft were in years past, I would expect that such technology will eventually filter down to commercial helicopters. Alas, it will not be fast enough for those of us exposed to this noise.

  • winstion Smith

    Andrew, the “stealth” technology already exists in civilian helicopters, although not quite to the extent that it does in the military and only with regards to noise. The reason we don’t see, and not hear, more of these helicopters is they are more expensive. Since there is no mandate forcing the tour news and commuter fleets to upgrade we listen to decades old aircraft, chopping about. I say give all the helicopter fleets a reasonable deadline to shut up or close up shop.

  • Jeffrey j Smith

    What is needed here is a basic limit on the total numbers of helicopters in our airspace.

    There should be a strict limit all helicopters including corporate, news, civialian government and the military. AND there should be a strict limit how CLOSE helos can be to other helicopters or other aircraft of any type. There should be a limit of two POOL traffic/
    news choppers. The tourist helicopters should be eliminated. And “public safety” helicopters should be limited to ONLY when and where They are really needed. There should be a strong monitoring system in which any helicopter civilian or public
    safety choppers HAVE to show WHY they were in OUR airspace. There should also Be a simple clear, open accounting for any Stare, Military or other governmental agency air activity in our
    space.

    Flights of helicopters with surpressed markings should cease. The very LAST thing we need Is public safety agencies with their enhanced imaging and other data mining toys deciding to go on Long “patrols”over the heights, without any cause or warrents. As for the military or…whomever..no one needs a helicopter with surpressed markings, even in hush mode, hovering for 30 minutes outside the upper floors of 200 Henry Street at 12 Midnight or not in hush mode loudly over Remsen St for over an hour at 10 PM. (both real incidents)

    Its like anything else, there are sane limits for everything. AND there HAS to be accountability for everyone in this situation. Why Why did any aircraft entered in our airspace and what “activities” did they engage in while here…

    We need public accountability

    JeffreyJSmith.NewYork@usa.com

  • bklyn20

    The agenda for the June monthly meeting of Community Board 2 mentions the helicopter issue. It’s this Thursday, 6/9 (changed from Wednesday for Shavout (sp?) More info should be on the CB2 website. Sorry I can’t provide the link right now… should be easy to google.

  • Len Schaier

    I am working with a group of Citizens from the Town of North Hempstead here on the North Shore of Long Island. While we are not bothered by tourist flights we do get murdered by flights to and from Manhattan and the East End.

    I have asked our state Assemblywoman, Michelle Schimel to contact your represenative, Senator Squadron, to see what they can accomplish together.

    Please encourage your representatives to work with ours here on the Island because this is a regional issue.

    Len Schaier
    516 944 3570

  • Jef

    I call 311 all the time. Fathers Day on Govenors Island was so bad, we left and rode our bikes near BBP, I counted 7 choppers circling Govenors island.

    We went down to Red Hook, and over Valentino pier the same thing, one after the other…..What is happening to our parks, they are supposed to be relaxing and tranquil….I get nothing but aggravation and stress, that i dont even want to go to govenors Island anymore.

    This has got to stop, did we not learn anything when we had the crash over the Hudson TRiver.

    Shame on the Mayor for re-instating the no fly zone. Bloomberg is an ass. i wish the choppers would fly over his home every 7 seconds, I bet the ass would sing a different tune.

  • Red Hook

    The endless tourist flights continue. This weekend they were off the charts. They were flying one after another over Valentino Pier Park in Red Hook. Not a good place to take the kids anymore. The NYCEDC refuses to release any 311 data or tour flight numbers. Why and how did they get the authority to control these flights and the heliport? It’s disturbing that all 311 helicopter complaints are directed to NYCEDC and The Eastern Regional Helicopter Council (Lobby Group). It stinks of arrogance greed ,and corruption. Shouldn’t the noise pollution from these flights be a DEP issue? Our local politicians need to take more substantial action. These flights are a disaster waiting to happen.

  • IB Farley

    It’s Bloomberg’s fault that the coppers are flying at all. When the citizens complaint about something he wants, he just pushes back harder against them. When a copper crashes, I hope it lands on his arrogant head. (He is hoping it will land on your poor head.)

  • Red Hook noisecopter

    The direct line to Patricia Ornst, director of Aviation at the EDC, the woman responsible for this decision.212-312-4226 She clearly believes that “the economic impact” ($) is more important than they environmental impact of NYC citizens.She definitely didn’t want to take the time to listen to my petty complaints.Please call Patricia Ornst, director of Aviation at the EDC, the woman responsible for this decision 212-312-4226. FULL BAN ON ALL TOURIST HELICOPTERS.

  • Jef

    I just left a nasty message to the woman above and read her the riot act, of course it was on a message …..

  • Red Hook noisecopter

    The direct line to Patricia Ornst, director of Aviation at the EDC, the woman responsible for the decision to route Tourist helicopters near and over Brooklyn.212-312-4226 She clearly believes that “the economic impact” ($) is more important than the environmental impact on NYC citizens.She definitely didn’t want to take the time to listen to my petty complaints.Please call Patricia Ornst, director of Aviation at the EDC, the woman responsible for this decision 212-312-4226. FULL BAN ON ALL TOURIST HELICOPTERS.

  • Daffy Duck

    I hope a tourist copter crashes into Patricia’s lap. Let her ponder the economic impact of that.