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BHB community member Nabeguy has posted many vintage photos of Brooklyn Heights to the BHB Photo Club on Flickr. About the pics he says:
These photos were taken in November 1961 by my father, who, along with other like-minded neighbors, was in opposition to the proposed zoning variance that would allow for construction of the Cadman Towers. He wanted to illustrate the variety and depth of the 19th-century architectural heritage that was at stake. In one of his last-ditch efforts to forestall the wrecking ball, he lobbied to have the building on Cranberry St. in which Walt Whitman set the type for “Leaves of Grass” designated a National Landmark. Obviously, his attempts were in vain, but we do now have the Whitman Townhouses, and these photos, as reminders of what was lost.
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Marvelous photos, nabeguy and Homer!
Not to focus on the trees rather than the forest, but the top shot shows a late 40s/early 50s Buick in the foreground. A kind of Proustian madeleine for me, as my parents owned such a model.
Dig those K-R-A-Z-Y Ventiports on the car’s side, into which on my parents car malicious beings used to put pebbles and twigs….
These are awesome, but I’d love a little help orienting myself so I know better what I’m looking at. Anybody?
This photo may help orient you:
http://tinyurl.com/cgh6vp
They’re all of Fulton Street, (now Cadman Plaza West) except for the 2nd shot from top.
Top: bet. Pineapple and Clark
2nd: Monroe Place towards Clark
3rd. long shot bet. Orange and Clark
4.: Anybody remember this barber shops and its location?
5, 8 and 10 Corner of Middagh and Fulton
6. Another long shot looking south
7. Cranberry and Fulton
9. Between Orange and Pineapple looking south
11. Cranberry and Pineapple looking north
Sorry, the last one is between Orange and Pineapple looking north.
Thanks all — these are wonderful, nabeguy.
Sure wish these buildings (and more importantly, this scale) were still there….
Thanks for sharing.
In some ways it looks like a cut’n'paste of Henry St.
Wow! Thanks for sharing, these are great!
this is exactly why zoning is so important. what a loss!!!
NOOC, given the prevailing attitudes at the time, it was more like a cut’n'waste.
Since these don’t seem to be jogging anyone’s memories, let me weigh in. In the top photo, the building to the far left was where the Soviet spy Rudolph Abel was captured. The Waxman’s hardware store in the middle eventually moved down Fulton Street to the space next to Grimaldi’s. And the McGrath’s bar on the far right moved to Henry Street into the space now occupied by Noodle Pudding.
I have a faint recollection of some of the stores and that barbershop – looking at it’s photo, it makes me sorry that, instead of tossing demolished bricks, I saved a few, they don’t make them like that anymore.
Question: do you recall where the theater was? I’ve got it in my head that it was near Clark/Fulton?
John — The theater was on Pineapple at the corner of Fulton.
I thought the theatre was in the middle of the block, because I remember turning the corner and seeing the marquee with the name of what was playing. Has anyone ever seen a picture of the outside of the theatre or similar type pictures of Henry Street? What was in the Noodle Pudding space before McGrath’s bar? I thought it was another restaurant. Nabeguy, love the pics. As Nabeguy said, the one on Monroe looking towards Clark shows 97 Clark Street, my grandmother’s house that was demolished at the same time as Fulton Street. What other pictures do you have, Nabeguy? And what happened with your reconstruction of the St. George mural? I think Eastern Sports is now re-opened after the renovation. Anyone seen it?
Also, in the first picture, I think there was a diner on that corner across from Tommy’s grocery that was called The Blue Plate Diner.
These are fantastic! Are there any more lurking out there of the opposite view from Henry St?
These are so great. I walk there all the time and had no idea how it used to look. Thanks nabeguy.
I’m delighted that so many of you enjoyed these photos. Given the response, I think that Andrew Porter has the right idea…set up a Yahoo group devoted to collecting memories of the neighborhood. Sorry, Homer, I don’t mean to poach on your territory, but it’s apparent that the field of reminiscences about the Heights is a rich one and deserves its own voice. If noting else, it will give us cronies a dedicated site to share our pasts without pissing off those who have no idea of what we’re talking about.
These are absolutely outstanding. I have to admit I live in that part of the Heights (moved in in 1968) and I have never seen some of these shots. Thank you a thousand times for posting these! If I were still in publishing, I’d say there was a book in here, somewhere…
There are two maps of those streets and buildings on the NYPL website, that I’ve downloaded, which show the individual property outlines as they were in 1885 or so. The names are: “3rd and 8th Wards” and “2nd, 3rd and 4th Wards”. The first ends at Pineapple, the second shows a slightly southern area. Both show Fulton. Quite fascinating.
It’s interesting to see the same trees as juveniles. The house on the south-west corner of Monroe/Clark looks in pretty good shape and about twice as tall as it is now.
Just think, in 48 years we (or our kids, or clones of ourselves) can share our digital photos (which they will have converted to intra-cranial-hologram format) of how we used to be able to see a long-forgotten span called the Brooklyn Bridge from street level as they lament the loss on BHT (Brooklyn Heights TLOG [short for Telepathy-log]).
The trees, of course, will have been replaced by carbon-fiber replicas made from ground-up old tires, which will be hailed as an improvement on the real thing.
The Bridge itself, having been purchased by a developer, will have been quietly torn down and plans will be in place to construct a hi-rise multi-purpose structure that will block the magnificent views of the historic Dock St. DUMBO building, a monument to political manipulation. The developer will offer to include a middle-school in the plans as there will be none in the immediate area.
Local opposition will rise up to “Save Dock Street” as it will no longer be viewable from Luxury Levee (a private, gated community; formerly Brooklyn Bridge Park; the levee to keep out the rising sea levels).
Don’t laugh. I bet that 100 years ago, no one thought about tearing down the church at Monroe/Clark and replacing it with the duplexes that are there now.
…but Great Wall will still be in biz. (Sorry! The devil made me post it….)
Benita – I think you’re right about the theater not being quite at the corner of Fulton; and I do remember the diner on Clark and Fulton, but I also remember noting that I never saw women or kids in there. I recall it looking very plain and basic. And as I think about it now, I am imagining Popeye and Bluto at the counter :)
C’mon “old-timers” — can’t anyone ID the barbershop pole? The “200″ should rule out lots of streets. Could it have been Clinton? Even Atlantic Avenue?
It looks like that Barber shop is seen in the last photograph. It is the last storefront on that long stretch of grey buildings. If you look close you can see the barber shop pole sticking out by the doorway.
Thanks nabeguy for sharing these great photographs. I have never seen shots of what that stretch looked like before demolition. Only arial shots I guess.
Maybe you could upload these shots and any others to a flickr page so they can be seen larger and pooled with other BH photos.
Thanks.
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Bornhere, wouldn’t the barbershop have been at 200 Fulton St? The photos are primarily of what it now Cadman Plaza West, so it just stands to reason.
Having been so young, I can’t quite recall the actual businesses, my clearest recollection is of the door fences surrounding the site(s), prior to construction. I remember pulling a washing machine motor out of one of the holes, someone got it into their head they’d make a go kart or something with it.
The theater is rather clear in my head, although I believe it closed well before demolition, perhaps 60/61?
LOVE the pics, a Yahoo group sounds like just the ticket, I guess I’ll prod my mother, who lives in the Bronx, to dig out her photos. Like pulling teeth, but I’ll try. :)
JBennet and John — You’re probably right about the barber shop. (As little girls, my sister and I were toted to B. Altman for haircuts, and as we got older, we accompanied my mom to Rozelle’s on Montague.)
John — Tell your mom that, if she doesn’t share her photographic treasures, you’ll post her phone number here so several of us could call her and whine a lot until she agrees :)
I dragged the photos from the subject page in the BHB to my desktop and then I imported them into my photo program (I have IPhoto) where I could view them in full screen. I also looked at them in full screen on the desktop by doing a control click and selecting “quick view” and then I was given the option to view in full screen. I don’t know if PCs work the same way.
Bornhere, got my haircuts at the St. George, including my very first, by the people who are still there! I’m 51, they gotta be pushing 100 if that 3 year old judgment is any guide. )
I’ll call her, the pics are probably in one of her steamer trunks, but she’s going on 93, might be a tough nut to crack.
Nabeguy, I’m saving all these photos, see if I can enhance them to better see the storefronts – if I can, I’ll share.
In a lovely little booklet entitled, Brooklyn Heights Yesterday Today Tomorrow, published in 1937 (way earlier than what we’re writing about) by the Brooklyn Heights Association, ‘For the Benefit of the Residents of Brooklyn Heights,’ I found some interesting stuff. This book contains a Classified Directory of the stores in the Heights, including ads for many of them. Lottie & Jack has an ad calling itself a cocktail lounge, but mentioning nothing about Chinese food (location at 87 Pineapple/87 Henry). Womrath’s, which I only remember being on Montague Street, was, at this time at 187 Henry. In their ad, their main purpose was renting or selling the latest books, fiction and non-fiction; they also sold ‘smart stationery, unusual gifts and greeting cards.’ What we so fondly called Silver’s was actually Brooklyn Heights Stationery (Murray Silver, Proprietor). Leaving no room for error, he sold cigars, stationery, novelties, pipes, candies, table candles, films and greeting cards. I guess it took him a while to come up with the idea of selling toys. The garage that we see in the wonderful photos posted by nabeguy, was the Towers Garage, all 16 floors of it in two modern fireproof garages, at Orange & Fulton Streets. You were ensured of ‘Safety, Efficiency and Speedy Service.’ The St. George Playhouse was at 100 Pineapple. In my memory the building didn’t extend to Fulton Street – it just seems that all 992 seats (big theater!) were scrunched between two buildings. Heights Seafood was at 228 Fulton, which, if it’s the same one I knew from childhood in the 50s, it was around the corner from Clark Street (between Clark and Pineapple). For drugstores in 1937, there was a Whelan’s at 60 Henry and Yaffa at 89 Henry. Now, as far as where that barber shop at 200 Fulton Street was, I suppose it would have been somewhere between Clark and Orange, since the ‘rear’ entrance of 75 Henry Street (Cadman Towers) is 200 Cadman Plaza West. In 1937 the James Barber Shop existed at 200 Fulton, and the Rio Barber Shop was at 204. In nabeguy’s 9th photo, I can see a barber pole in front of the last gray building on the left. I think there may be another one in another photo, because the mention of a barber pole is not the one I saw. I know this is all 1937, but I find it fascinating. And thank you, Benita, for the idea of dragging the photos into iPhoto for better viewing – I never thought of that. And please – John – at the age of 93, your mother probably won’t want to start rummaging through steamer trunk, so how about you? We’re all obviously salivating here…
And on the down side are these: My mother and I shot the photos with my father’s little Minox – but we only took two? And I don’t remember if this was before or after the fire that destroyed the church on the corner of Clark and Monroe (the church pictured in one of nabeguy’s photos).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37916072@N04/
since47, great photos and a nice follow-up to mine, in which the St. George sign was visible. The building on fire is the one that Col. Abel, the Soviet spy, operated from. And I remember the day of this fire distinctly, as my mother was taking my brother and sister and I to the World’s Fair. I recall thinking to myself “to heck with the WF, this is much more exciting”. By the way, did you follow that BPL link I mentioned? It’s a great photo of Lou Weisberg.
Nabe — The picture of Lou is wonderful, and confirms the belief I had, as a little girl, that he and Edward G. Robinson were the same person.
bornhere, I have to ask…did he smoke a cigar? Growing up in the 60′s, I bought my sandwiches from his son Irwin and went to school with his grandson. And, in a case of cosmic universality, another of his grandson’s rents parking space from me.
Nabe — I would swear he smoked a cigar. Of course, I can also hear him saying, “Nyaaah, nyaaah — ya’ want Russian dressing or mayo? Nyaaaah.” I was going to add to my previous post that I also seem to recall having babysat for Irwin’s sons when I was about 11 or so, but I figured a reference to Irwin would be too obscure! (I think there were two little boys, although there may have been just one. What’s weird, though, is that I have zero recollection of where Irwin lived. Maybe I just took them to the “little playground” or something and returned them to Lou’s.) And I thought Irwin looked like Steve Allen….
Nabeguy – can you please re-post the BPL link? I can’t find mention of it and I would love to see a photo of Lou Weisberg. Although he certainly was a ‘cigar kind of guy,’ Bornhere, I only remember him smoking cigarettes. Irwin always reminded me of Steve Allen, as he and Steve (I called him Steve) were tall, lanky and wore the same kind of eyeglasses. I too babysat for them when they lived in a brownstone at the north end of Willow Street (I believe they had two sons – maybe three – maybe four – I can’t remember). And seguing, I remember how shocked we were to hear that a Soviet spy had been holed up in a building ‘just down the street from us.’ Ah, those were the days!
Nabeguy – can you please re-post the BPL link? I can’t find mention of it and I would love to see a photo of Lou Weisberg. Although he certainly was a ‘cigar kind of guy,’ Bornhere, I only remember him smoking cigarettes. Irwin always reminded me of Steve Allen, as he and Steve (I called him Steve) were tall, lanky and wore the same kind of eyeglasses. I too babysat for them when they lived in a brownstone at the north end of Willow Street (I believe they had two sons – maybe three – maybe four – I can’t remember). And segeuing, I remember how shocked we were to hear that a Soviet spy had been holed up in a building ‘just down the street from us.’ Ah, those were the days!
So the burning building in the two recent pictures was not the church on the corner of Monroe and Clark across from the building that’s falling down? Is that church still there? I was in the Heights a few weeks ago and thought I remembered seeing it while walking on “old fulton” towards Montague. Since 47 – does your booklet mention anything about the restaurants on the west side of Henry Street between Clark and Middaugh? Was Noodle Pudding always a restaurant and were there others closer to Pineapple? I blew Nabeguy’s photos up to full screen but couldn’t find the barber pole pictured. Did any of you go to PS8? I wonder if they have any school pictures in their records.
I have a picture of the corner where Clark’s restaurant is now also showing Patricia Murphy’s Candlelight Restaurant – good popovers, an old shot of Clark Street looking towards the St. George in a blizzard which shows the church on the corner of Monroe and Clark, and a reproduction of a picture of the inside of the St. George Playhouse. I don’t know how to post them or if they are in a readable format. Any advice to post them on this Blog? Or I can email them if anyone wants to send me their email.
Benita – you may post them to the BHB Photo Club on Flickr or email them to us webmaster AT brooklynheightsblog.com
Hi Benita, I just looked at one of my illustrations of Henry St circa 1988 and if Noodle Pudding is right next door to Henry’s End then there was an antique and vintage clothing shop there. This 3D ilustration used to be at Henry’s End Restaurant on a loan. I now have it in my studio and was trying to send an old psd scan and it crashed my browser. I have a few of these 3D illustrations of the Heights and will try to make better scans and send to Homer.
since47, as there’s a usage issue abot posting BPL links, I’ll tell you how to access the picture directly:
Go to the BPL site and click on Library Catalog on left side. Click “Advance” under search options. Type “Henry Grocery” in the Words line and choose Photograph for Material Type (you have to scroll down to find the photograph option)
The first picture is the one you’re looking for.
Nabeguy – thank you for the information, but in the meantime my sister sent me the link. Lou looks just the way I remember him – what a terrific photo! Benita, the church (in the photos I posted) was further to the right (out of the frame) on the corner of Clark and Monroe, which you see in Nabeguy’s 2nd photo. And no, the church is no longer there, but I don’t think the church fire and the one pictured were connected. As far as restaurants listed (on the west side of Henry bet Clark & Middagh), Heights Coffee Pot is at 62, Meadow at 72 and across Clark Street, Candlelight was there at 114 (way back in 1937). I attended PS 8 from Kindergarten through the 3rd grade and except for my class photos, a couple of photos of the auditorium taken during class plays, and a photo my mother took of Jackie Robinson when he visited the school, I have nothing else – no exterior shots of the school or surrounding area.
Fess up, since47 — you have great movies of the school (and the Promenade, etc, etc).
Fess up, indeed! I have the front door of the school – okay, maybe the ‘footage’ pans as far as the school playground. As for the rest of it – well, do YOU have any idea where those movies (that movie, because it’s probably all on the same roll) might be? I think the film includes the Promenade, Columbia Heights and maybe the east side of Fulton Street.
Great photo of that fire, remember it like it was yesterday.
The Candlelight was one of my faves, didn’t realize it had been there that long, can you scan and upload that booklet?
What was Lou’s place? I’m sure I was a regular, just can’t put the two together, and why does a cigar-chomping curmudgeon ring a bell?
John – Lou’s was on Henry and Pineapple (NW corner of Henry), around the corner from Ricky’s. It was a small supermarket with great take-out deli sandwiches. (Do you remember Ricky’s? It was a real dive, and I was way too young to go in there, but my dad would stop there to bring home really good pizza. Bar + pizza. Weird, but very good.)
John, Lou ran the Plymouth Deli on the corner of Pineapple and Henry. He son Irwin (who actually smoked cigarettes, and rather heavily if memory serves me correctly) took it over in the late 50′s/early 60′s which is probably when you might have bought a hero from the place. They were one of only two places (the other being Kennedy’s on the corner of Cranberry and Henry) that I recall being open on Sunday. Irwin is still around living with his wife on Willow Street, as are 3 of his 4 sons and 1 daughter.
I loved the Candlelight restaurant and it’s popovers. THe place was such a throwback even in the 60′s
Oh yeah! but the only person I remember from the Plymouth Deli was Vera (?), the cashier. Great deli – my mother would also send me there for banana ice cream, or the St. George deli/grocery. The Candlelight was well named, I do recall it being very intimate, but, there was nothing better than a souvlaki sandwich at the Greek’s on Montague, was heartbroken to see him close after 30 years, give or take.
I trust everyone is familar with this?
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Know that site well. Love the Montague Street photo with the sign for “Frosted Foods”. Do you think that was a pre-cursor or a denial of the term “Frozen Foods”
Man, I got to set up a Yahoo group for all these memories…there are just so many of them.
The picture that I have of the church (now Clark’s) and the Candlelight did not import to my IPhoto as it is in a pdf format. I tried to email it to the Webmaster, but he was unable to open it. The picture looks like it must be from the 1940′s judging from the car that is pictured on the street. We ate there very often – loved the condiments that were delivered to your table for sampling by waitresses during your meal. Maybe I can upload it to the flickr site like Nabeguy did with his photos, but I need a little guidance. I was wondering about restaurants on Henry because I was introduced to linguini with white clam sauce at an italian restaurant on the west side of Henry probably around Orange. I thought it might have been in the Noodle Pudding space, but it doesn’t appear so. We went there often, too.
John, although I call it a ‘booklet,’ it’s 79 pages long and would take a while for me to scan and download. I tried finding it on rare book sites with no luck; the only way it can be had is through the BHA. The link is to the NYS Archives, where I found the booklet mentioned:
http://www.archives.nysed.gov/a/research/res_topics_env_guide_8_brooklyn.shtml
On this site, describing the BHA, it says in part:
“Historic information about Brooklyn Heights and the Association are found in an unpublished history of BHA and its accomplishments, 1960, and two publications: BROOKLYN HEIGHTS, YESTERDAY-TODAY-TOMORROW, 1937, and ROWBOATS TO RAPID TRANSIT, 1973. Some photographs are in office files; in zoning file are photographs of street scenes of Brooklyn Heights, primarily of commercial district, most identified; also photograph album of buildings, ca. 1960.” The photo album is something I’d like to see!
Since47 – do you think you could post your pictures of the PS8 auditorium – I remember some great architectural details in there. When did Jackie Robinson visit the school? I don’t remember that at all. I remember that we had to go to “Assembly” every week and at Christmas the whole school assembled to sing carols. Class plays were a big thing there. I was the class artist and every Christmas I painted a mural of the Night Before Christmas across the entire width of the numerous large windows in the classroom. Years later, the Smithsonian in DC installed an entire elementary school classroom that was exactly the same as the classrooms in NYC schools from the coat closets to the blackboards to the windows.
Benita, Oh how I loved those wall-to-wall coat closets – hiding in them seemed to be a great pastime. And I think I was also the class artist, as there’s a (class) photo of me standing by an easel, paintbrush in hand. As far as posting the photos taken in the auditorium (right now I can only locate one), it’s four of us on stage during a Christmas pageant in front of that wonderful, tufted ‘banquette’ that ran across the length of the stage, with the lower portion of the stained glass windows as background. I’ll have to check with another BHB-er for a thumbs up or down on the posting.
since47, I’d love to see it, if possible. I remember the stained glass windows and the banquette. I visited the school twice since I went there and I recall seeing these details in the auditorium when I was there. I hope they haven’t renovated that space. Of course, the classrooms have never tables and chairs instead of the old line-up of desks, but the coat closets and large windows were still there.
Okay Benita, here’s the photo:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37916072@N04/
I’m still searching out the others (there are two more, actually: another on the stage, and one taken from the auditorium seats, showing a wider view).
Thanks so much, since47 – the picture is so cute and I can make out the features of the auditorium. I’m looking forward to the others, if possible. Is that your younger sister in the photo? You both look so cute!! Do you remember the mayday dance and the winding of the maypole in Prospect Park?
Yes, that is my younger sister. HA – And why didn’t you think I was one of the girls and not one of the two boys? The boy next to me was Jimmy Robinson, whose father, Earl Robinson, a songwriter, wrote (“Joe Hill,” “Black and White” (The ink is black, the page is white…), and “The House I Live In.”
I was at PS 8 through the 3rd Grade, and don’t remember a May Day Dance or the winding of the Maypole – maybe because that all was invented after I left, or maybe it was that 3rd graders weren’t invited to those types of festivities.
How long were you at PS 8?
I knew you were one of the girls because there is a strong resemblance between you and your sister, and of course you couldn’t have been the younger girl because she was wearing a dress and not dressed for the performance. I graduated PS8 in 8th grade. I remember making my white dress in home economics and parading down the aisles to get my diploma. I guess they don’t value their alumni because I called the other day to see if they had records of old student and/or class or graduation pictures, but no one called me back. May Day was really BIG at PS8 and all city schools – we practiced winding that maypole for weeks and weeks. I was a tradition for many years – way before I went there. They probably didn’t include 3rd graders – it was a complicated process to wind the pole without a mistake. Prizes were given for the best winding.
Benita — I don’t know if I remember the event, per se, or just the story that always accompanied the viewing of the picture, but it seems I made a bit of a scene about feeling left out of something that had nothing to do with me, so I was allowed to clamber up on stage for a picture. I went to PS 8 only for kindergarten, and I do remember that my teacher was Miss Patterson, a woman I thought was as old as the hills–but very nice:)
So, bornhere, since47 is your sister? And you were allowed to climb up on the stage because you were younger and didn’t want to be left out. You gave your permission to have the picture posted? Where did you go after you left PS8?
Benita – After kindergarten, I went to Friends (1st through 12th). And I’m laughing as I type this because my sister is active in community theater and I STILL feel left out :) (But I have learned to keep the tantrums down to a minimum.)
When did you leave the Heights?
bornhere – After PS8 I went to Erasmus Hall HS for 9th grade. My grandmother, who owned two brownstones, decided to move to Florida. She kept 97 Clark Street until she was forced to sell by the city to make way for Cadman Towers. My parents owned 95 Clark and they decided to move to Florida as well. I was so glad to get a picture of both 95 and 97 from nabeguy (it’s the 2nd one). It’s wonderful that you and your sister have been able to stay in the neighborhood – I always loved it there because it’s so special. I live in Chevy Chase, Md.. now. At one point, my husband and I bought a house in Georgetown, DC, because it reminded me so much of the Heights. The living room had a medalian on the ceiling that was so much like my grandmothers’. I come back as often as I can – my younger daughter and husband started out in the Heights and now live near Prospect Park.
bornhere – I was reading back some comments on the sites devoted to the St. George Mural. Particularly, your comment of April 13th on the trashed mosaic being dangerous site. Obviously, you were correct about the replacement with a “new wall”. I got a report from my daughter that the mural wall is now a big white painted wall. Not that I want some copy of the past mural, but I was annoyed at their specious comments. By the way, my two grandsons go to Friends.
Wait a minute, bornhere and since47 are sisters? I guess the family that posts together…
Yes, check out the photo link above posted by since47 on May 2nd and you will see the resemblance. Since 47 is the older sister who was in the play at PS8.
I would love to get in touch with ‘since47′…sounds like you’ve got some good stories/memories of BH and I would love to capture them for a segment of Neighborhood Beat, Brooklyn Heights, which is a local TV show that I produce for Brooklyn Independent TV.
Please send me an e-mail if you’re interested. Would be a simple interview/tour of your neighborhood.
sorry! p.s. janine_herman@yahoo.com