Park Entrance from Montague?

The Eagle reports that the Montague Street Business Improvement District wants a footbridge to connect the Promenade near the foot of Montague Street (photo) to Brooklyn Bridge Park. The BID says this is necessary to provide access to the Park during the time the needed repairs to the cantilevered portion of the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway below the Promenade are being done, as this will affect access to the Park through other entrances. According to the Eagle story, the BID envisions the footbridge as resembling the “Penny Bridge” (see photo in the story linked above) that used to allow pedestrians to cross Montague Street, when it extended steeply downhill to the level of the then docks, before the construction of the BQE and the Promenade.

What puzzles your correspondent is how a footbridge, by itself, could allow pedestrians to get to or from the Park from the level of the Promenade, which I believe is about an eighty foot vertical distance. Nothing that looks at all like the little Penny Bridge could do this. The bridge would have to connect to a very long staircase (more steps than many people could easily manage), or escalator (prone to breakdowns), or — and this is the only way it could meet the requirements of the Americans with Disabilities Act — a tower with elevators. To meet the anticipated summer traffic volume, this would probably require two or even three elevators the size of those at the Clark Street subway station, and the tower could impinge on the protected view plane from the Promenade. The footbridge that does connect to the Park — the “Bouncy Bridge”– does so by starting from Squibb Park, which is below the level of the BQE, and executing a zig-zag. A footbridge from the level of the Promenade would have to go through several zig-zags between there and the Park to be easily walkable; it’s hard to see how this could be executed without creating a structure so massive that it would negatively affect views from the Promenade.

I also wonder what significant impediment to Park access will be caused by the BQE repair work. Neither the Squibb Park, or Old Fulton/Furman Street entrances could be affected by it, and it seems unlikely to me to affect the Atlantic Avenue entrance, as it is south of where the cantilevered portion of the BQE begins. The Joralemon Street entrance could be affected, at least for a period of time less than required to complete the entire project. This is likely also to bar auto traffic on Joralemon from going to or from Furman Street during that time.

DISCLOSURE: I live on Montague. The concerns I’ve expressed above relate only to the technical difficulties I perceive with the proposal; not from fear of excessive pedestrian traffic on Montague (my windows face Pierrepont Place, so we already get the mostly cheerful noise from the playground, and the tour guide who stops his group in front of 3 Pierrepont Place to enlighten them about Seth Low, and at whom my historian wife occasionally yells at out the window, “No, Robert Moses did NOT build that playground!”).

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  • ykwhthis

    You want to do (any more) radical changes to the Heights?
    Fine, let’s put on the ballot for actual Heights to VOTE on!!!

    We should always have the right to VOTE on any further structural changes to this historic district….

  • Andrew Porter

    You do not have the right to call me Andy, sir. I don’t know you, nor do I want to.

  • Andrew Porter

    Not me; the music critic at The New Yorker, who is now dead (and hence, probably can’t comment here). Although I did correspond with him, briefly.

    More about him here:

    http://tinyurl.com/ybf6arp9

  • StudioBrooklyn

    Is it me you’re looking for?

  • ykwhthis…

    OK,, Mr Porter I will respect your wishes. But your remark on supposed blinders is clearly a person attack. Which should not occur in these august halls. Now I would like to know what part of what I put forward do you possibly identify as being shortsighted, myopic or some kind of tunnel vision.
    I don’t feel you can honestly identify any element of what said as being so.

    Oh by the way…guess what my favorite Norman Spinrad
    SF novel is…?

  • Eddyde

    The park is not going anywhere, so given that, the Montague entrance is the best approach to keeping excessive foot traffic off the quiet residential streets.
    What’s your plan?

  • Eddyde

    Well you are clearly against freedom of assembly and freedom of speech, two elements of the constitution that allow NGOs and the like to exist. To me that’s communist, totalitarian, fascist. etc. what ever the f**k you want to call it, it all boils down to the same thing, depriving the voice of the people.
    You wouldn’t be against NGOs if there were some powerful ones that successfully helped legislate your racist wet dreams. But the reality is, you and the people that believe in that crap are the minority and despite your life of trying to push that agenda, you failed to make any headway. Your AFP went bankrupt how many times?

  • Jeffrey Smith

    The 84th Precinct Community Council will meet TOMORROW TUES the 21st at Boro hall at 6 PM . And you can SURE that this entire concept and every topic which does or may impact on Heights security, will be fully discussed/examined.

  • TeddyNYC

    It would be a waste of money and probably would screw up the view. We have enough of that already.

  • Jeffrey Smith

    Well, try to seriously consider what is really happening here: this is a group of local NGO’s and land use lawyers trying to further modify life in the Heights completely avoiding, of course, the electoral process(!) And now consider what that is doing to your safety: This is a campaign to increase the foot traffic and effective population, increasing the USE of an area. Oh by the way, did you stop to notice that nowere in this proposal is any mention of more cops or EMS to cope with the swell in Mobile and static population increase? Oh course not!, These types NEVER promise, much less deliver, increased protection to an area they are placing under increased stress. They don’t want to pay for that, all they want is the $$$ gravy. Meanwhile if you need police or EMS on State or Columbia Heights and they are dealing with a dispute on Montague or an injury in the Park or again, on Montague, well that’s tough luck. So yeah guy, that’s why this gem of an idea will be brought up at a public safety meeting….it’s very simple teddy, if you increase the use of an area, you want more protection and you want it in place BEFORE you make any genius changes to the area…..

    But if you care at all, you and Studio and AEB and any others can show up and openly support this latest local NGO’s idea. You can also stand up and denounce me as a terrible person and poisonous. Influence…but you’ll have to do in person and not behind a handle.

  • B.

    The possibility of a staircase that steep — reaching up from the park and over the highway to Montague Street — is mind-boggling. Who could dream up such an improbable thing? And think that any sane New Yorker could fall for it?

  • Eddyde

    Because, It wouldn’t be built the way you imagine.

  • Eddyde

    I agree those are some tragic losses and a fight was mounted, especially with the hospital. Alas, our corrupt governance and big money did crush us, but no one “rolled over” except our POS mayor.
    The question now is how do we mitigate the impact the park has on the neighborhood? A montague entrance would help keep foot traffic off the side streets. No one else has put forth a workable alternative. What’s your plan?

  • gc

    My plan would be to close down the Joralemon St. fiasco, and reduce point of entry to Old Fulton St, Atlantic Ave, and perhaps Squibb Bridge.

  • Eddyde

    Being that will never happen, what’s your plan B?

  • gc

    My plan B is to leave it as is. Enough damage done.

  • Teresa

    Hi, Andrew. If these photos are available for public use, they still need to be credited and sourced. If they are not available for public use, they need to be taken down.

  • Eddyde

    So no relief for Joralemon or the fruit street area?

  • gc

    See Plan A

  • gc

    That would be Plan A.

  • B.

    Even if it zigzagged like a goat path on a Greek mountain, it would still be steep. And how do you imagine it?

  • Eddyde

    It couldn’t be any steeper than 1″ per foot, as that is the ADA maximum slope allowed. It could even be shorter than the Squibb bridge approach as that route starts at a greater elevation. It would likely be a series of switchbacked ramps, not a huge staircase.

  • Eddyde

    You keep going in circles, seemingly unable to grasp or accept reality.

  • Andrew Porter

    I’ve always imagined access could be by elevator; a short extension from the Promenade over the highway to a platform, then vertical elevator, with maybe a stairway going around it.

    This would take up the least amount of space, would be ADA compliant. Here is one, taking people from a high bridge down to the Hudson River:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/37bfe61df48eb6ebdec6c19825bd9fec15b3c6cc449b6109e637aeacbc1c5a2b.jpg

  • Eddyde

    I thought of that too, however the maintenance on elevators would likely turn the BBP off to that idea.

  • Andrew Porter

    Yes, because that’s another expense.

    Maybe they could shoehorn in another high-rise apartment building somewhere to pay for it…

  • Eddyde

    That would likely be their approach.