Open Thread Wednesday

Buzz off shill. You don’t represent the community and you claims of “wanted by the neighborhood” is a baldfaced lie.

i further find it fascinating that anyone who jumps to a conclusion about who creates problems in the park (based on what has been news reports to date) is instantly branded a racist, yet jumping to conclusions about these pamphlets without even reading them based on a narrow set of personal familial experience is somehow ok. nothing like a delicious cup of hot hypocrisy in the morning.

I mentioned people in my family earlier to illustrate the difficulty of having to reconcile challenges to one’s identity from people one is close to–but I don’t want you to get the impression that there is a large quantity of people in my family with whom I have this laborious conversation. It’s more like two or three people, with whom it’s come up on occasion. I get along very well with my family. :)

Now, you make a point which I’d put under the umbrella of “well at least you can talk and think freely about the things that upset you without being imprisoned or executed”. And I’d say, yes, for everything that troubles us someone else has it worse, so we should keep that context in the back of our minds. But if an attorney used that argument they’d probably find themselves without a job pretty soon.

So now you have a problem with the Japanese???

Um an attorney would never use that argument hence the only one who suggested it was you. You are quite the artful dodger though. You have yet to address the myriad points of actual and aggressive attempts by groups other than jews to personally and legislatively shove their morality down the world’s collective throat. instead, you seem fixated on harping on a couple of personal experiences you have had with your family members. That is the point I was making along with the paraellels i see in your logic or lack thereof. At the end of the day, ignore facts all you want, but do not take the huge liberty and leap of trying to manipulate said facts to fit your narrative with some strawman umbrella you wove in your brooklyn studio.

I didn’t say I’d done any research. :)

But I’d say the burden of proof is on those who would argue human beings are born with a sense of religious identity or spiritual dogma. What we have, evidentially substantiated via the scientific process, are the facts of our biology: we’re mammals, we’re prone to certain group behaviors and learning tendencies, and those in turn do create a conduit for religion and spiritual belief as we’re exposed to them, but they’re not part of our DNA.

since you like to qyote, please show me any point in which you addressed my copious examples of how other religions are way more organized and focused on proselytizing. you seem to keep harping on the jewish thing without acknowledging that to the majority of the world that is the reality. as far as ad hom attacks, you are the master at passive aggressive remarks like your insinuation about attorney arguments. when you point a finger outward, there are four more pointing back at you. i will continue to respond whenever i wish. feel free not to engage.

The bulk of this conversation we’ve been talking about the nuanced differences between inter-religious proselytizing and in-group identity reinforcement, and I’ve given personal anecdotes to illustrate my thoughts on the matter while you lob vitriol in my direction. Fun!

Redlola, it’s not fun. I don’t want to be enemies with you.

As for your assumption that my remark about a legal argument is passive aggressive, I just want to tell you that you’re projecting here. I made that remark hoping it would illuminate common ground and help you see my point, since you’ve said you’re an attorney.

I’ve heard that certainly personality traits can be passed on genetically, as can “stress”. And this makes sense; it’s brain chemistry (i.e. physiognomy), and that’s in our DNA. But beliefs? Non-phenotypical group identity? Those things have to be taught.

This stuff has been going on as long as I’ve lived here, on my block and everywhere else in the Heights. PS: No relation to “AndyHeights.”

I think this sums everything up nicely:

LOL!!!!!

And what I hate is when I’ll-call-them-proselytizers because for all intents and purposes the phrase fits–come up to me and say, “Are you Jewish?”

I have the same it’s-none-of-your-business response–and resent the fact that I’ve been picked out, which comes under the you-know-too-much-and-too-little heading. (OK, I’ll stop with the compound phrases. Already.)

I think someone did mention them…but really, they’re pretty mild. They never approach people or yell. Just sit and smile. Like people manning a table at a trade show.

I have an ad blocker on my iPhone. These aren’t pop-ups. These are some sort of ad that redirects the entire webpage to a new URL. In the hundreds and hundreds of sites I’ve been to on my iPhone going back to the very first phone in 2007 this is the only site that has this problem. I suspect it’s not actually an ad causing the problem but some sort of Malware that go onto the server running the blog.