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  • Jeffrey Smith

    Whenever any entrenched, not to mention corrupt establishment wants to dispose of even the most reasonable observations they now label it a “conspiracy theory”. the term was actually invented by the
    Students for a Democratic Society brats in the late 1960’s. They and other ” new left” elements also started the PC idea.

    Now, as a group, the new BHA board has floated the idea that to have an independent opinion of their actions you need to be a member or
    a contributor. Really? So to be a valid observer of LBJ during the Viet Nam era you had to be a member of the democratic party.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlsiLOnWCoI Arch Stanton

    Are you dredging up the Glock debate? No I don’t think the NYPD should switch t a different sidearm, there is no sound reason.
    You said:
    “issuing sidearm which by basic design its unsafe for police to have their Finger on the trigger”
    You must be a complete ignoramus to say that, because no firearm is safe when ones finger is on the trigger, DUH. Thats why NYPD et. al. forbid finger on the trigger until it is absolutely necessary to fire.
    The Glock has been tested countless times and has been proven to be one of the safest most reliable pistols ever made. That’s why the Glock is issued by 65% of law enforcement agencies in this country including the FBI. It is also the sidearm of choice for many foreign police and military agencies. Are you saying that You (who admitted very limited knowledge of firearms) know better than all of them?

  • DIBS

    Like what? Fewr hall moitors here? Jussayin.

  • suzanne goss

    they never wore black shirts. Always white with an apron.

  • suzanne goss

    Best eggplant parm ever served.

  • Roberto Gautier

    Read more on the supposed connection between Mayor DiBlasio and the much-publicized posse of “developers” is in the NY Post -http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/de-blasio-donors-could-benefit-from-brooklyn-queens-streetcar/ Once again, it’s tiring to read and hear the word “developer” because it refers to something that is not real. Developers, for the most part, don’t seem to be “developing.” Anyone have a suggestion for a more appropriate word?

  • Willow Street Watch

    Yes its true that communications is my field and to be honest I always a little afraid of guns. But that doesn’t blind me to the fact that the way Glock captured the market was strong hard marketing and very competitive prices.Government agencies almost NEVER adopt the best design. That’s exactly why we lost so MANY of our brave Americans in Viet Nam to simple jams with the 16. MANY top engineers INCLUDING Eugene Stoner strongly warned of the BIG flaws in the 16 But key congressmen were from Connecticut.. so.
    Only the most mindless believe that large institutions choose what’s
    best..or even barely safe..

    If you told anyone in say 62 back that police or anyone entering a criminal atmosphere should not be as ready to protect their and innocent citizen’s lives as possible, you’d be promptly placed in some rubber room. But in the new PC America…we prosecute some cops and demoralize far greater numbers with the adoption of wrong technology and then demand a body of patrol guidelines from hell.

    Before we go on, won’t everybody reading this simply google ”S&W
    Governor” at at least look at this far safer technology which should be made available to everyone in the NYPD…..

  • Big Jeff Smith

    How about thought and the exetcise of balanced judgment; where does that rate in your and your associate’s list of life necessities…

  • Jorale-man

    There’s new public art coming to Pier 6 in Brooklyn Bridge Park, apparently: http://observer.com/2016/02/british-art-star-martin-creed-to-light-up-brooklyn-waterfront-with-giant-neon-sign/

  • CHatter

    I know nothing–less than nothing–about visual art. But are there people, I mean grown intelligent people, who believe that a spinning neon sign that reads “UNDERSTANDING” is art? Serious question. Artist neighbors, I’d welcome your thoughts please.

  • StudioBrooklyn

    I wish there was a more succinct way to explain how the course taken by the history of art led to what you’re reacting to…

    The shortest explanation I can come up with offhand is that at the beginning of the 20th century an artist named Marcel Duchamp popularized the notion that art, as a visual interpretation of an idea, doesn’t have to be an attempt at representing that idea verbatim (i.e., an artist has something to say about death, so s/he paints a picture of someone dying). A chess master in his own right, Duchamp seems to have discovered an irrefutable argument (i.e. “why can’t the idea of death be better represented by a platter of cold cuts?”), and in no time resistance was trampled by artists looking for new ways to express ideas, critics at a loss for how to withstand them, and a public that was increasingly receptive with the advance of modern industrialization, consumerism, and buffeting from two World Wars (plus a bunch of other stuff).

    Since then, visual art has been exposed to fewer and fewer limitations in terms of subject matter and treatment, and the inevitable result is its “crossing over” into other disciplines (in the case of the sculpture in question, as well as the “YO” sculpture to the north, industrial signage). This, to say nothing of the fact that the fine art industry is the world’s (and history’s) most expensive and unregulated luxury goods market.

    For reasons that become abundantly clear if that word “unregulated” popped out at you, matters of taste and sophistication have very little to do with whether artwork gets made, sold, or commissioned these days. If this is something you believe you’re in a position to do something about, or if it’s something you want to do something about, I would encourage you to do some research to try to get a wider scope of “what’s out there” in the art world, figure out what kind of art speaks to you and why, invest in that kind of artwork, and encourage others to do the same.

  • Teresa

    Ever see “Do the Right Thing”? The Parmesan/extra cheese scene should convince you that shakers of that cheese are–or used to be–standard on the counters of most pizza places, and that New Yorkers not uncommonly use it for pizza.

  • http://selfabsorbedboomer.blogspot.com/ Claude Scales

    Where are Alyssa and Joe? This thread cries for you.

  • One Who Knows

    Parmesan on pizza? Pizza is Southern Italian. Parmesan is a Northern cheese. They don’t go together. Geeze you non-Italians need some lessons!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlsiLOnWCoI Arch Stanton

    “Thought and the exercise of balanced judgment”
    Big words coming from a bigot.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlsiLOnWCoI Arch Stanton

    Your view of the firearms world is circa 1983, a lot has changed since then, time to re-up your data.

  • CHatter

    Thanks. To perhaps put it another way then, (1) yes there are (grown intelligent people who regard that as art), (2) I’m not necessarily an idiot for having a contrary view but (3) ultimately, art is whatever sells, or whatever appeals to those in a position to buy it.

  • StudioBrooklyn

    You are basically correct on all three counts. I would omit the word “necessarily” from #2. As for #3, you’ve more or less described a functional definition for art as a commodity. We could assign a different definition for when the fact of art as a marketplace item is ignored. A few examples that come to mind are “unit of culture”, “instance of creative expression”, etc.

    The reason I gave you a response that included a background is that (a) I don’t want my fancy advanced degrees to go to waste and (b) this relevant bit of history seems to be missing from the popular comprehension of art, and in my opinion that omission leads to the frustrations many people have with what they see. As I once noted to a disgruntled gallery patron where I used to work, “I don’t get it” should be an entry point, not something one grumbles on his/her way out the door.

    That said, I often understand and empathize with the kinds of frustrations you expressed. When I entered art school I was very anti-20th century, and it was through gaining an understanding of art’s relationship to contemporaneous history that I was able to appreciate post-Duchamp art.

  • CHatter

    Your response was very helpful, thank you. And I do quite like 20th century art, or some of it (which isn’t to say I often “get it”, only that I like the way it looks). I just thought that this particular piece was shallow and sophomoric. If it were music or literature (two art forms I’m a little more conversant with), I would liken it, respectively, to the jingle that accompanies one of those “The More You Know” public service messages or a pamphlet entitled “So, You Have Syphilis”, that you might find in a display case at a college health center.

  • StudioBrooklyn

    I would agree with your assessment of the piece as “shallow and sophomoric”. The main thing I hope to illuminate is that these qualifiers, unfortunately for those of us who care about them, have very little to do with whether commercial artwork gets funded or given exposure. In this respect visual art is distinct from literature, and to a slightly lesser degree, from music, because of an intellectual “race to the bottom”. However, I also want to point out that if you go and look around in Chelsea galleries any given week, you’re bound to see something that is exciting, innovative, deeply moving, and brilliantly made. So all hope isn’t lost.