Brooklyn Bridge Park’s Pier 2 Evacuated Today After Gunfire Reported

Should the piers have been turned into a much different type of park, more like a nature preserve or something? I really don’t know, just pondering here I guess.

Well, they’re still exceedingly few and far between. I’m not happy about what happened on Pier 2 but one incident of gunfire does not an epidemic make. That said, if there any other major incidents of violence down there the summer I’m going to start worrying and be a lot more careful about when and where I bring my children down there.

Yes, I’ve always thought that divine intervention or prayer, the weight of America’s might–not sure how “Country” might otherwise be of assistance–and parents would prevent gang (or gang-like) killing.

Well, of course, the latter does or can play a role in ameliorating social disadvantage–but your prescription in general is dotty.

Ditto.

My window overlooked this shooting which was right at the entrance to our building – drug dealer dispute – victim died in the hospital.

FYI– it turned out that there never would have been the dense development that the Port Authority threatened. The Piers couldn’t withstand the weight, and (IIRC) there didn’t seem to be as much interest in developing the uplands (which is also what killed the shipping business, as container ships got bigger and bigger — not enough room to maneuver upland). But I agree that it’s inexcusable that the NYPD seems to be hands-off where BBP is concerned– with the Park and NYPD pointing fingers at each other as to which entity is responsible, and with the result that neither does much of anything except shrug and make excuses.

This just the exact center of the problem; first you have a vocal minority put aside all reasonability and forcefully endorse a park project with ugly bnal design and who any realistic observer would conclude at least is a very questionable security condition due to the increase in the use of an area without an increase in public safety resources.

Then you have this same element do everything to discredit the factors in society which actually provide stability and safety eg
Morality, Ethics and Spirituality.

And then, they complain when there is violent crime or a trend of increasing anti social behavior…

Its very simple, even those who are most committed to the indeed takeover and reinvention of the Heights recognize the strength of a society based on the power of traditional morality, ethics and a healthy sprituial state, they almost always hate and fear these values. Much like the Spanish republicans hated traditional religious values and institutions. But the truth is you cannot have safety or security without these factors.

What occurred down at the park is a lesson in what happens to areas, people and indeed countries which come to the twisted belief that you can one without the other.

Well maybe the neighborhood should have/still should be nicer to the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Having lived in BH for a number of years, I can’t say I’ve ever, ever had such pleasant, law-abiding neighbors. Rather than mocking them, as much of the neighborhood did/does, they should have reveled in their pleasantness.

You are so gross! Wilding. You do know what actually happened in that case, don’t you Brainiac 5? And Tom Wolfe’s words are notoriously, ’em how shall one put it… disgustingly one-sided when dealing with matters of skin tone. Clear enough for thee?

You think he’s “reactionary”? Well how do you answer my last entry?
Reactionary?!? Remember what I said about the Spanish Republican mentality about in the Heights?

The truth is that other the ” right” and “left”, the liberals and the conservatives are both wrong..and both integral to the problem and indeed both integral to the decline of the Heights and for that matter, this country. Not surprising; they are two sides of the same poisonious modernist-materialist syndrome.

We in no way need unconstitutional governmental actions to control standard crime. Street crime/disorder and governmental lawless are both problems we need to control. Why didn’t we need stop and frisk in some of the neighbors considered the worst most dangerous say, 40 years ago?

The reasons are that prior to the present influences/leadership, people had on average a strong prrsonal morality and ethical base. Religious life was far stronger. Family life and values were far stronger. In the most ” disadvantaged” neighborhoods, a broken home,for example, was something everyone knew was something you did everything to avoid.

Many modern people who call themselves conservatives, especially libertarians, are dismissive of real traditional values, in some ways, amost as much as liberals. Conservatives and genuine patriots are two very different things. And the social atmosphere the right/left twins breed, make no mistake, directly causes what we just saw down at the BBP.

ONLY when this country fully discards/distroys both the present right and left and reinstalls genuine values which have sustained Western Civilization for centuries will America cease its decline

Not quite, its all the guns in the WRONG hands. When I was a teenager a LOT of homes had guns. I never saw an atmosphere of crime and fear, because it was who had guns and far more importantly, the state of society at the time. Remember what I said about conservatives being at base the same as liberals? And that genuine patriots are something very different than patriots?

First the right/left twins under their watch caused a flood of crime and violence. The drugs in this country continued to surge under Reagan. Then the twins want to disarm as many Americans as is possible, using as many unconstitutional practices as is possible. Of course neither wants to address the basic need for resocialization, a return to ethics, morality and traditional religious values.. No, let’s not and never even consider that.

Yes, they’ll be a lot more violent incidents in the future but NOT because of the surface factors, its the lack of our treating the real deeper causes, which have little in truth to do with economics or education etc.

Perhaps we can entice the Scientologists and Mormons to come an replace them here?

Idiotic response.

Former New York Police Department Commissioner Ray Kelly predicted last year that “no question about it, violent crime will go up” if the city were to move away from stop-and-frisk policing. He was wrong. Stop-and-frisks, which almost exclusively targeted black and Hispanic men, are down 79 percent through the first nine months of 2014. And instead of descending into chaos and crime, New York has also seen less violent crime. Mayor Bill de Blasio announced on Tuesday the city’s crime rate fell 4.4 percent in the first 11 months of the year.

Whether or not the kids convicted, raped the jogger, they were in fact, “wilding”.

And what would describe happened at the park? A tea/social?

As for Wolfe, you don’t understand the reference. It’s not “Bonfire of the Vanities”, it’s his essay on “radical chic”.

NYPD Deputy Commissioner of Operations Dermot Shea said the number of serious felonies that make up the crime rate are, for the first three months of the year, lower than in any first quarter since the police started using the CompStat system in 1994. He also noted that the drop in crime comes as police are arresting fewer people.