BHB Exclusive: Q & A Nancy Webster, Executive Director BBP Conservancy

BHB: When you look at the history of community activism that helped to spawn the BBP, how do you view the protest for that People for Green Space and others are mounting against Pier 6?

In that process it’s really about looking at those realities, looking at funding, looking at sustaining maintenance and operations, looking at what the conditions of the piers are and what the infrastructure can support. You start having to make some difficult choices. What you see in the community opposition is some discomfort with some of those choices.

NW: I would say that in my role as Conservancy Executive Director I am working on a book that will be published by Columbia University Press on the history of the park.

For me, the real story of the history of Brooklyn Bridge Park is [one of] very passionate civic engagement to create something wonderful. The energy that you bring to a movement to get the wheels of government started—and make no mistake about it, Brooklyn Bridge Park is a very large, very significant public works project. So the energy that you need to bring from the community standpoint to put something like that in motion is extraordinary. All of us who are sitting here now and are involved with the park—no matter which side of the issue you are on—really owe a debt of gratitude to the folks who 25-years ago had the tenacity and the determination to give over a significant portion of their lives to make Brooklyn Bridge Park happen.

With a civic project of the significance of BBP—and this is one of the great things about living in a democracy, right—there can be difference of opinion as to how a project develops, particularly when you move from a community of visual space and you start having to confront the hard realities of how you make a project like this happen.

In that process it’s really about looking at those realities, looking at funding, looking at sustaining maintenance and operations, looking at what the conditions of the piers are and what the infrastructure can support. You start having to make some difficult choices. What you see in the community opposition is some discomfort with some of those choices.

That being said, the conservancy is a supporter of the park plan and has been ever since 2005, when the park financial model was announced, and we have been supportive of plan and the choices it makes to bring the community vision into reality.

We see when we look at the fact that BBP is self-sustaining for its operation and its maintenance and its capital funding, we look at that through the lens of what happened to public parks in New York City in the ’70s. The city was in a period of severe financial hardship and parks budgets had to be cut drastically. Central Park and Prospect Park, two of our marquee parks, were deteriorating and neglected. So we are very supportive of a financial model that will ensure that will not happen to BBP. Then to move into what has been to some people—and I want to make sure that there has been lots and lots of support for Brooklyn Bridge Park, as opposition always tends to be louder than support.

You have to be careful not to overamplify that. Then to move into the more controversial decision to using housing as a funding mechanism for the park, likewise the conservancy has been supportive of that as well. And that’s from the standpoint that the community’s initial impression with the city had contemplated as much as 20% of the project footprint being devoted to revenue-generating activities to pay for the park but with the inclusion of residential housing as a funding mechanism, that footprint is [actually] under 10%.

In a nutshell we see the park financial plan as giving us the greatest amount of certainty that the park will remain safe and beautiful for generations to come and giving us the greatest amount of park land for the least amount of commercial development.

For the Conservancy, that’s a win.

BHB: The park has done so well. Can we adjust the General Project Plan core tenets to account for this unexpected success?

NW: I think there are a couple of pieces to that. The first is that this is not the first time that this question has been asked. Our colleagues at Brooklyn Bridge Park Corp. studied that in-depth a couple of years ago and worked with a consultant to really look at alternative revenue sources. That had a community and public process piece, and at some point what that report found was that the model that BBP adopted that contained housing essentially was the surest bet to meet the park’s financial obligations.

BBP Corp also updates the park’s financial model on a regular basis. There’s not a model that was conceived in 2005 that no one has taken a look at over the past years.

Not to get into the weeds with the numbers, but their latest presentation is saying that all of the development parcels that the GPP had allowed for are necessary to sustain the park into the future. So I don’t think it’s the case that the park has more money than it needs. I think the really good news is that the park will have the money it will need, and if you think back to 2008, when the bottom fell out of the world economy, certainly it hit us here in the U.S. incredibly hard. We just barely avoided a depression. It hit New York City incredibly hard. The real news is that the model worked. Post 2008, it might not have worked.

It does work, and Brooklyn Bridge Park will be well maintained into our grandchildren’s grandchildren’s future.

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  • marshasrimler

    Nancy Webster is paid and bought by the real estate interests. She is really a hidden paid lobbyist–nothing more,nothing less

  • Lady in the Heights

    That is false! Nancy is the exec director of a non profit organization and is wonderful, dedicated principled person who holds this job because she cares deeply about the neighborhood and having a wonderful resources for the city. I have known her for 15 years. Shame on you!

  • marshasrimler

    Nancy has multiple conflicts of interest..like she heads the CAC but is handmaiden to the BBPDC. Ask members of the CAC who believe she is
    bought and paid for.. Wake up and smell the roses..Non profit and carrying water for the big profit making developers.
    Either you are naive or whatever

  • HenryStreeter

    Medication… use it.

  • marshasrimler

    is that a legitimate answer to conflict of interest questions?
    ask members of the cac. It would be good if this was looked into by the press

  • Lady in the Heights

    If you are going to sling accusations, you better have the facts to back them up. Please explain what exactly Nancy has done that is corrupt?

  • marshasrimler

    ask members of the cac about ongoing conflict of interest issues they have.. why not put it on the agenda and in the public sunlight?

  • johnny cakes

    HenryStreeter. That is a spiteful thing to say to someone. Maybe you should follow your own advice and get a prescription.

    Non-profits are the preferred method of hiding money. Ask Lito Lopez, or even Eric Adams about the use of non-profit covers to hide money.

  • Lady in the Heights

    I am asking you because you put it in the “public sunlight”. Stand behind your accusations. What has Nancy Webster done that is corrupt and what specifically are her conflicts and what has she done that is questionable? Be specific, please.

  • marshasrimler

    As I said she has ongoing conflict of interest issues
    that need to be spelled out in the cac. She raises money for the organization she runs from the developers. They in essence pay her salary and then build and overbuild in the community. She supports their efforts . This needs daylight at the cac. Have a pleasant day. Bye

  • Lady in the Heights

    Sounds like general mudslinging to me. Doesn’t sound like you have much.

    Maybe you should focus on some positive things in this world instead of only looking for the negative? Maybe take a walk in our gorgeous park on this beautiful fall day.

  • marshasrimler

    We shall see

  • Doug Biviano

    Much of what Nancy Webster says is thoughtful and her point of view is obvious, so I can appreciate that, but to say that the rest of the park will be put in jeopardy without development at Pier 6 is pure hyperbole and fear mongering.

    What puts parks, libraries, hospitals and schools in jeopardy is the overbuilding with the one-two punch of public subsidies to developers in the form of tax abatements (421A and J51 that last up to 25 years), specially legislated tax breaks (Extell, Atlantic Yards, etc), and public asset and infrastructure giveaways below market value (Atlantic Yards, IRS building, etc).

    In essence, tax payers are being forced by politicians (with tools to combat the 1970’s decline of NYC but now fund their campaigns) to support developers and newcomers instead of the parks, libraries, hospitals, and schools we need to live happy, healthy and productive lives.

    Given Nancy Webster’s Role, one cannot expect her to speak to this broader issue that is harming our communities. All the talk of Affordable Housing is actually a smoke screen because people here and now are being driven out in droves despite the AH hullabuloo.

  • cindy s

    Well, its really two factors which is
    Causing/enabling the tulip bulb
    Craze in housing prices. First the
    Behavior or government but of far
    More significance the behavior of
    The banking sector. Only ONE
    Element WRITES the PAPER…

  • cindy s

    Without the behavior of the financing
    Sector you cannot (duh) have housing
    prices ever escalating in a tulip craze.
    Period.

    As far as the park is concerned,
    Everyone really needs not to focus
    on personalities or smaller aspects
    And focus on what FUNDAMEN-
    TALLY is going wrong.

    This park is the classic PRIVATE
    Corporation being allowed to take
    over the function of a govermental
    Body responsible to the electorate.
    Starting with the Federal Reserve…
    Which is the model for this severe
    Distortion, private trusts, funds and
    “quasi-public” corporations with all
    their lack responsibilty to the public
    will, murky visabity have proliferated.
    And with the rise of each one of these
    artificially created power centers,
    there is alwaysthe rise of circles
    of supporters or individual lead-
    ers of satellite organizations who
    are here to assure the public that
    everything is being well monitored.
    But let anyone seriously ask for
    a real time review or audit by any
    Kind of an outside independent
    Agency all the lapdogs go into
    deflectiowhennd when that doesn’t
    work, they go into attack mode.

    This is what is going wrong here;
    Government has got to govern.
    It has do so efficient ly and effect-
    ively. The PEOPLE HAVE to insist
    on this. And, private bodies are
    NOT a substitute for honest,
    effective govrrnment. This is well,
    what you were always taught in
    School: government always
    Responsible to the direct will of
    The people.

    The people must be vigilant
    But the people in this republic
    are the absolute sovereigns.

    Now let’s see all the lapdogs and
    Extra government policy creating
    NGO Types attack the above…too
    bad its the truth….

  • gatornyc

    Your point has little to no applicability to BBP in view of its funding structure. The fact is that the Park has not yet provided sufficient information regarding its finances to determine whether additional development on Pier 6 is necessary for BBP to meet its financial obligations. It remains an open question that must be vetted, which can only occur once BBP provides additional budget information.

  • marshasrimler

    well said the BBP Board.. must come clean and open its books. government must govern not these private groups that the politicians hide behind

  • Solovely

    Seems worth pondering that Ms. Webster chose to take a position on the save pier 6 issue; is such a stance within the mission of the Conservancy’s mission statement? And/or should it be? Is worth some discussion? These organizations were conceived as separate entities with different missions. How do supporters of the park, support the park, but be against pier 6? now that Ms. Webster has taken this position? Is this “mission creep” on the park of the conservancy? Was her position on pier 6 even necessary within her role?

  • Doug Biviano

    My point is that you and everyone else are focusing on the PILOTS (whether covering the cost of BBP which we suspect they are without Pier 6 buildings) when this scheme is an under-performing distraction created by politicians to justify development where it doesn’t belong that is ironically subsidized by other tax payers (many who don’t want it). An unabated tax base is all we ever needed to fund this park, our libraries, our hospitals and our schools (way over crowded from overbuilding). If we had elected officials who respected the voters they would end these tax abatements, public giveaways and our park would be a park, not a development project.

  • Doug Biviano

    That is what I was getting out with my point of ending tax abatements and public giveaways. These public-private partnership schemes are harming transparency, accountability, our ability to govern, and robbing the tax payer in so many ways. When people hear Public Private Partnerships they need to scream to elected officials HELL NO! Note, our “Authorities” like Port and MTA fall into this category as well shielding politicians from accountability as well.

  • gatornyc

    True or not (and I’ll go with not; the funding of government is far more complicated than you suggest), the ship sailed long ago on the debate of whether the Park should be self-funding through PILOTS, land leases (you don’t mention those), etc.

    Attempting to bring the debate back to whether the Park should or should not be self-funding is the distraction.

  • gatornyc

    With all due respect (and I do respect your cause), such questions distract from the core point. Indeed, why should anyone — particularly the head of the Conservancy — not be able to voice their position regarding the issue? Your core issues are very strong, so why distract from them by raising these types of questions which candidly only provide fodder for your opponents.

  • johnny cakes

    gatornyc. You sound like a lawyer. Are you a lawyer? That could make you an ordained liar for your client.