Stop the Chop: Senator Squadron Urges End to All Tourist Helicopter Flights from Downtown Heliport

State Senator Daniel Squadron, along with Congressman Jerrold Nadler, submitted testimony at a July 11, 2016 hearing on whether to extend Downtown Manhattan Heliport’s (DMH) concessionaire agreement with Saker Aviation Service, which operates tourist helicopter flights from the heliport. At stake is whether the concessionaire agreement would be extended through April 2021, with additional short-term renewal options.

The noise and hazards from tourist helicopters have long provoked the ire of many residents in the City, and in this neighborhood in particular, and spawned the protest group Stop the Chop NYNJ. Tourist helicopter flights had been banned at other heliports across the City, which then shifted all tourist flights to DMH. In October 2011, a tourist helicopter crashed into the East River, prompting renewed calls for an end to all tourist flights, to no avail.

In a February 2016 agreement, the City reduced the maximum number of tourist helicopter flights, and ended Sunday flights and flights over land. Not good enough, according to Senator Squadron, who made no bones about his long-held position – that all non-essential tourist helicopter flights from DMH must be stopped. His testimony included the following statements:

As we said at the time of [the February] agreement, reductions are an important and positive step, but an outright ban on tourist flights from DMH is still warranted. Since the February agreement went into effect, we have continued to hear concerns from impacted community members.

Tourist flights are by definition non-essential, and have not been proven to have significant benefit for commerce or safety. However, we recognize the role of DMH for law enforcement, emergency response, and other purposes. Today, both the 30th and 34th Street heliports still operate as heliports without tourist helicopter operations. Without tourist flights, DMH could, and should continue to operate as well.

Ending tourist helicopter flights at DMH continues to have broad support. After the February deal was announced, a broad coalition of elected officials renewed their call for a ban. Even the City itself has previously supported ending tourist helicopter operations. In its Helicopter Master Plan of 1999, it was clear that the City opposed non-essential tourist helicopter operations at City-owned facilities.

In the same February agreement, the City required air quality monitoring, and research into additional noise and emission reductions from the helicopter flights. The first report on these studies is expected later this week.

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  • StudioBrooklyn

    Oh yeah… ;)

  • StudioBrooklyn

    Anyway, I’ll put the theoretical question to you again: if the tourist helicopters have a net negative impact, what’s the argument for allowing them?

    Meanwhile I’ll turn a similar hypothetical toward those against: isn’t there a strong possibility that elimination of the tourist helicopters won’t meaningfully decrease the annoyances helicopter traffic causes in BH in particular?

  • DIBS

    I’m back a lot. Look for me. And with an attitude like yours…

  • DIBS

    I agree with your second paragraph. The city licensed these businesses to operate. Did they not know that herlicopters would be noisy and generate complaints??? NYC is a big city and big cities come with noise and other things that annoy many of its more delicate neighbors, three or four of which are here day in and day out complaining about just abiut everything

  • StudioBrooklyn

    Both of you…ugh…stop…

    DIBS, you’re suggesting that you now have a lack of better things to do than to go onto BHB and complain about what others write.

    Heightster (and others), I don’t think the amount of time someone lives in a neighborhood has to be the deciding metric, or any metric, of whether their opinions about that neighborhood’s news have merit and frankly, I suspect DIBS gets a lot of pushback just because his views don’t fit the middle of the bell curve here.

    Though I’ll turn back to DIBS here and nod to him about delivery…

  • DIBS

    In my defense, I’m not here every day complaining about every little thing like the few here who are. I try to pick my battles and inject thoughful commentary for the ones that are really truly important. Like helicopter noise in a city. :-(

  • StudioBrooklyn

    I agree with the sentiment, that the realities of living in a big city include some amount of annoyance, but I don’t think that’s a valid argument for allowing every annoyance to continue with impunity. Some annoyances are unavoidable, some annoyances are avoidable but are the byproducts of something with a larger payoff, and some annoyances are avoidable and don’t have a larger payoff. It seems the tourist choppers fall into this last category.

  • ColumbiaHeightster

    I appreciate your comment, but in fairness, I think you missed my point here. I was responding directly to (and only to) this: “I’m back more than a few times a year. No they haven’t.” (which was in response to a comment that thing here have changed in the last 2-3 years).

    It seems obnoxious to me that someone having not lived during said 2-3 years, and only for a brief amount of time at that, would make that kind of authoritative statement which flies in the face of what mostly all residents can agree on: for better or worse, things have changed.

    I stand by my comment.

  • StudioBrooklyn

    “obnoxious”?

    I’d say it’s fallacious, but “obnoxious” kinda signals you’re taking it personally. Which is fine, I mean, you have every right to, but I think this response has the tendency of derailing a conversation.

  • DIBS

    I don’t see “most” BH residents here commenting on this. Yes, of course things change but they haven’t changed all that much in BH. And generally, it’s a better place than it was 5, 10, 15 yers ago. Maybe you don’t get out to other parts of the city much to see what goes on elsewhere.

  • DIBS

    I bet anyone who disagrees with his political narrative would be deemed “obnoxious” or worse.

  • StudioBrooklyn

    This is the last time I’ll interject to introduce meta-comments (sorry everyone): DIBS, you were doing so well, and then your last sentence–totally unnecessary!

  • ColumbiaHeightster

    Okay, fallacious it is. That’s fine for me.

  • DIBS

    Was it “obnoxious?”

  • ColumbiaHeightster

    Nope. See my last reply.

  • StudioBrooklyn

    Ha!

    No, I’m sticking with “unnecessary”.

  • Bornhere

    Hmm. I think the Heights was a lot better 5, 10, and 15 years ago. But, whatever…. This back and forth gets so ridiculously strung out at times.

  • StudioBrooklyn

    As long as everyone can agree that this is highly subjective.

  • StudioBrooklyn

    I didn’t know that Oklahoma was referenced in Battlestar Galactica! Kinda throws that whole timeline into question.

  • Pepper

    I think it’s obnoxious that you stole my emoji.

  • DIBS

    Have you ever lived in BH? If not, by the logic of some here, you have no standing to comment on things going on there.

  • Pepper

    Dibs, dear. Time to come home and take your meds.

  • DIBS

    There’s nothing but quantity over there. Not like the quality we are getting here.

  • Pepper

    No, I have lived in DUMBO and Boerum Hill, but never in Brooklyn Heights. However, I was not commenting on the helicopters, I was commenting on your theft of my material.

  • DIBS

    emojis are public domain

  • Pepper

    I count 20 nonsense, trolly comments from you on this thread alone.

  • DIBS

    How many from the others. StudioBrooklyn is the only halfway sane person among them.

  • Andrew Porter

    If you’re ever on Governor’s Island, the noise from the helicopters taking off to the south is horrendous.

  • Andrew Porter

    So, only Democrats are whiners? Go write speeches for Donald Trump!

  • DIBS

    If you read it correctly, I believe the punctuation is correct and conveys a different opinion…”that Squadron, in true Democratic style, wants further rules & regulations limiting business”

    However, if you want a great example of whiners, look no further than Sanders’ supporters