Cops Turn Away Parkgoers At Pier 2 Basketball Courts

Is that you studiobrooklyn aka “historybuff” but no history here. i have no idea who Cindy S is. For ppl, who hate assumptions you are quick to make them about others. Wow so there was someone else on this blog who worked at a law firm? shocking for BK heights. Hardly any lawyers live here. Who cared about her kids and her community? Who disagreed with the prevailing sentiment? Hmmm..I’m glad you have enough time on your hands to read through Disqus history. On the other hand, I don’t have time to be making up multiple pseudonyms on this page. What i find so sad is that me saying I don’t want ppl smoking weed on the promenade at 4pm is so egregious to you that you would try to label me a nutter. Pathetic.

No, redlola/Cindy, StudioBrooklyn has a LONG history of putting forth viewpoints and is doing a good job of countering your point of view.
If you were the lawyer you claim to be you would have noticed my comment was to CHatter, not to you.

Once again, you’re too wrapped in your own narrative to not miss the point. The only reason i mentioned what i do for a living was in response to your snarky, condescending remarks about me not knowing how to state my position. As far as the “some of my friends are black” response — again your own contortions. I told you that my friends who are truly fighting for something meaningful in society do not feel helped by people who encourage lowered or differential standards on silly, antisocial behavior. That was yesterday. Today, I told you that my daughter is biracial, my husband is black and as is his (my) family in response to your stupid assumption about who I like and don’t like. I don’t actually care if you agree with me but if you want to have an intellectually honest discussion, you need to take a long, hard look inward at what you say and how you say it. You are consistently condescending. You do not allow for any opinion other than yours. You distort what other people say and contort yourself into a pretzel to set up strawman bullshit arguments to try to justify straight up nonsense. To any rational person, your painful attempts to elevate smoking weed above the law and the needs of the community are insane. Your idiotic assertions about how others should parent their children are completely inappropriate. Just stop.

I’d encourage you not to get so angry. You’re addressing a neighbor.

With you I left snark behind long ago, but you’ve been consistently coming at me with aggressive hostility instead of engaging with the subject matter at hand. Look at the language you’re using with me: calling my comments condescending, idiotic, painful, etc. without anything further. You have taken this entire discussion and dedicated it to berating me for disagreeing with you. You accuse me of making “straw man bullshit” (strong words for a neighborhood blog) arguments without any explanation of why my arguments aren’t valid, and instead it’s just this “I’m a lawyer, I don’t need to explain myself to you because you’re too stupid to understand.” Yes, I can be snarky, and I’m sorry if you’re very sensitive to that, but I NEVER make ad hominem attacks or say negative things about the character of any other commenters on this blog, especially those with whom I have intellectual disagreements. I was even outspokenly reluctant to say negative things about our most famous troll.

I hope you’ll take a few minutes to go back and re-read, regroup, meditate, whatever it is you need to do to see an intellectual discussion for what it is. Good luck, and I wish you well. See you on the promenade and at the playground.

The most sensitive person here is you as well as the most negative. I have seen Concerned put up with endless insults because he dared to have his own perspective. He is constantly judged. Please look at the man (or whatever gender you identify with) in the mirror first and then come back to me. I am usually not one for ad homs until I am repeatedly provoked by condescending, clueless assertions and inputs on the most important thing in my life – my kid.

“The most sensitive person here is you as well as the most negative.”

This strikes me as a hyperbolic, verbose version of “I know you are but what am I”.

Concerned and I have had extremely fruitful discourses here, and we continue to mutually maintain an understanding that each wants what’s best for the whole neighborhood (if not for a greater radius of citizenry). You say he is constantly judged, but if you look carefully you’ll see that the character of his and my conversations is either very respectful or very humorous, or both, and never anything else. I aspire to have the same rhetorical relationship with anyone on here with whom I routinely disagree about things related to the park and promenade, yourself included.

Awwwwwww…. Who’s cutting onions in here!!!

Love Lane doesn’t get as much traffic as the Promenade obviously so I wouldn’t expect there to be the same amount of litter (coming from locals or visitors regardless). But the ‘tucked away’ aspect of the street seems to encourage littering and smoking. I walked down it today and there were wrappers and solo cups and various other pieces of debris as per usual. There is also someone that regularly bags their dog’s poop but then leaves the bag on the pavement to be run-over by cars, resulting in flattened bags of dog poop littering the street year round. Truly lovely.

dog poop is a definitely a neighborhood problem. some ppl are ridiculous when it comes to that. red solo cups are a memorial day problem IMO. as many times as i have passed through there in my 14 years in the heights, have never noticed it to be particularly littered nor run into kids hanging out. though we can never actually conduct this experiment, would wager a good amount that if were somehow able to remove all visitors from the heights one summer so it’s only residents and contrast that with a regular summer, the litter situation would look markedly different and not only due to the quantity of ppl. What the heights can stand is some better trash cans. the ones on clark and hicks on the popular pass through to the promenade are small and open and always overflowing on the weekend with stuff piled up on the ground. if this neighborhood is gonna be disneyworld, we need those those closed cans at the very least.

Please – step back and take a breath and tone down your rhetoric.

You are clearly being incensed by the dialogue here. This is (thankfully) a blog of well-meaning people who, while they often disagree, are united in a desire to contribute productively and engender mutual respect.

Sometime it gets snarky, yes.

But you are getting extremely defensive here and, as far as I can see, you’re trying to lash out vs. promote an honest engagement.

You deserve to be a welcome part of this community. Demand that by showing respect yourself.

No one’s going to “win” an internet conversation war. So let’s please not make it a war in the first place.

I want to read the intelligent insights I know you have. I’m not reading that at all in this conversation, which has degenerated into something that’s not offering anything to anyone. Whatever your beef with StudioBrooklyn, be the higher person. Everyone reading will respect you more for it.

I think I get what you are about and respect you for it.

I get what you’re about and respect it too. As for “crickets”, I’ve stated several times that I don’t think people smoking weed on the promenade is dangerous or something you need to be fearful of, and I’ve explained why. I also stated that my larger beef is with littering, which pot smokers sometimes do, but which we’ve established people are guilty of quite independently of where they live or whether they smoke.

Especially in my last several replies to you I’ve made a concerted effort to treat your point of view with overt respect, but you don’t get to fall down and cry that you’re a victim of some kind of abuse just because I’ve taken you to task on some of your positions. I don’t think that’s what you’re about and it’s certainly not in keeping with the standard of conversation we enjoy here.

“I am tired of debating this.”

Me too, but I’m trying really hard to come to some resolution with you. There are a lot of things we agree on:

“ppl should not disrespect my neighborhood”

I agree! Everybody should be respectful of everybody else. Life is just better that way.

“impose bad illegal habits on my kids”

See, here, I think we have a differing point of view of the implications of “impose on”. If you consider any objectionable behavior that happens in proximity of your children something that you have an entitlement to not deal with, I think that’s a bit unrealistic, especially living in a densely populated urban area. I’m not saying this as a fellow parent but as a fellow New Yorker: we don’t get to shelter ourselves (or our kids) from stuff, we simply have to adapt to ways of navigating it. We can’t just demand or expect the bad stuff to go away, because it simply won’t. I’ve said that already. And smoking weed in public is probably going to become more socially acceptable in the coming years, not less, irrespective of the way you or I feel about it. I’m hoping you can understand that I’m not saying this in some kind of “you should parent this way” voice, it’s really more about existing in this place. And as a fellow parent, I’m earnestly sure you’re doing a great job. We all want to protect our kids from the horrible stuff in life, but (a) we’ve got way bigger problems than pot smokers and (b) sometimes we just have to accept that we live in a place where young kids are going to be exposed to stuff that maybe we weren’t until we were much older. We can’t keep them locked up, it doesn’t make them safer.

“What you have done is call me racist”

Nope, I don’t think I did. I made one remark about your invocation of your “black husband, family and friends”, which you’ve since repeated several times, but my remark did not contain any negative evaluation. That’s something people often bring up in arguments about race, by the way, which I think has a degree of both merit and fallacy. In case you’ve forgotten, here is my remark (yesterday):

“I think you’d find I can be incredibly receptive to other points of view, even if they’re qualified by lines like “I’m a big important lawyer” and “some of my best friends are black”. (I have black relatives too, and am very close to several fancy attorneys as well, and I wasn’t going to mention it except to illustrate something we have in common.)”

Finally, you charged that I “argued vigorously that smoking weed on the promenade at all hours is so crucial it supercedes anyone’s concerns of how it may impact their children”

I don’t think you can find a quote from me arguing that smoking weed is crucial. Again, I just don’t think it’s a realistic threat to you or your kids. My saying that is in no way a remark on your parenting, it’s just that I don’t think you have anything to be afraid of and neither do your kids. Just like I don’t think you and your kids need to be scared of Arabs or Bigfoot. You might agree or disagree, but I’ve made no judgment whatsoever of your parenting and it’s both inaccurate and (to make an emotional appeal) unfair for you to accuse me of doing so.

I really hope this helps clear up any misunderstandings.

ok so here is my take:

1. i have no problem with weed but as long as it is actually illegal, i am not interested in it being smoked on the promenade especially when kids are around. No one should be subjected to contact highs. It is not that important of an activity to make it a priority. I think people should be less selfish about their need to get high anywhere. Privilege is thinking you could skirt the law and disregard everyone around you for your own pleasure. That is how I see daytime weed smokers on the promenade and as such, I will continue to call the police any time I see it. If that’s you out there, consider yourself warned :).

2. You went on some lengthy rant of what i need and don’t need to explain to my daughter and when. That is not a discussion you should have ever felt comfortable initiating with me.

3. The tone of your remarks about “my black friends” and “fancy lawyer job” is very snarky and condescending. The irony is that both of those facts came in response to your insulting comments about me struggling to state my position and disliking certain ppl – a not so subtle accusation of racism.

4. I never accused you of being the one to bring up the Cindy S. thing. I know it wasn’t you and if you washed your hands of it, i thank you but missed that comment. However, whoever that poster was (forget the name), trying to go on this “witch hunt” is indicative of the cabal mindset I alluded to. I did read a few of these Cindy S. comments from the link he posted and frankly did not see her saying anything out of line…then
again anything to the right of Bernie Sanders seem to be out of line in this forum.

My POV in a nutshell is that ppl should know how to act and I hold everyone to the same standard of common decency no matter what they look like or where they come from. People who cannot abide by that standard and actively choose to create problems and bring negativity into my neighborhood need to be properly addressed by the law. I have no passes to give for stealing,assault, destruction of property, open drug use, intimidation and “horse play” involving weapons.

Hope we are finally done with this.

Regarding the diatribe by redlola and Studio Brooklyn below;
I consider myself an authority on litter. Particularly food litter on the Promenade as I walk the length of it almost daily. Indeed there is a heavy uptick on the weekends and even mores so during the warmer weather. The #1 is Popeye’s Fried Chicken, then Micky D’s after that its a mix of chain and local. My take is the majority of the trash is left by non residents.
As a side note, I am perfectly willing to clean up most of the food waste but my “human” keeps holding me back… argh…