Worst 4BR Floorplan Ever at 20 Henry?

Curbed has taken a look at the floor plan of one of the fancier apartments planned for 20 Henry Street, and quotes a tipster as saying “it’s one of the worst 4BR floorplans she’s seen”. Take a look here, and let us know what you think.

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  • Muskrat

    The market will be the judge… And actually, if you give big parties this would work pretty well!

  • AEB

    Forgive me extremely narrow world view, but what does one do with four bedrooms? One for mom and dad and the others for one’s three kids? A room for the cats? One for the servants, with whom one would have to be on best terms? A birthing room?

    OK, make one an office–that leaves two more for one’s two kids….

  • Bloomy

    I don’t see any huge issue with the floor plan. While it isn’t great, it is far from the worst imaginable. When each bedroom is required to have a window there is not a whole lot you can do differently when you are fitting in 4BRs.

  • HenryLoL

    Looks rahter nice to me. Commenters on Curbed (and Brownstoner) are for the most part a bunch of jeleous dopes.

  • WillowSt.Neighbor

    Quite frankly, who cares except the person buying the apartment.

  • GHB

    AEB, some families are large and require 4 BRs. What does that have to do with anything?

  • dog lover

    The worst part of the floor plan is the position of the kitchen — awful.

  • resident

    I actually like the kitchen positioning. It’s in the main living space so it has the advantages of “open floor plan” living, but it doesn’t dominate the room like many modern layouts (see love lane mews). I guess it’s a personal preference.

    It’s not a great floor plan, but I don’t see anything wrong with it either. Any 4 BR in a space that isn’t multiple floors or more square shaped (rather than long and relatively skinny) is bound to be a little awkward. This floor plan does manage to give the master some privacy, provide a large living space and create four real bedrooms. Not much to complain about.

  • AEB

    (Sorry not to stick to the program, GHB. I’ll do better next time. Promise!)

  • LibertyBelle

    I have seen worse. This is not terrible. Most New Yorkers would love a large space like this with lots of windows.

  • Gerry

    @ AEB you may mean a “borning room” a room off of the master bedroom suite where a new-born baby and nanny sleep. NOT a birthing room

  • Knight

    They layout is fine. If the buyer doesn’t have enough kids to fill the rooms, their imagination is the only limiter regarding what to do with the remaining space: home office, sewing room, game room, even a chapel if one is so inclined! After 10 years of 2 people in a small one bedroom, I’d love this space!

  • AEB

    No, I meant a room in which to give birth, Gerry. An obviously confusing attempt at humor.

  • yoohoo

    Better than the floor plans in venerable Park Avenue buildings where apartments were outfitted with multiple servant rooms with sinks in the rooms and windows overlooking interior courtyards. The only disadvantage: The bedrooms are adjacent to each other and may be separated by thin particle wood walls rather than by brick walls.

  • stuart

    This whole project has been a disaster. Have they stopped construction again? What is it with the investors? Are they still suing each other?
    Wow, exactly the kind of real estate nightmare to avoid at all costs.

  • Still Here

    It is a variation on a classic center hall 3BR/3Bth – The kitchen is the problem and is what makes it odd and kind of rail-roady. In many loft apartments you enter onto the kitchen. I would rather a foyer and a dining room instead of the 4th BR. Lot of light though….not all that bad.


  • BHMommy

    If I had the dough, I’d buy this in a heartbeat and have a third kid to fill the fourth bedroom

  • BH’er

    Not great, but I’ve seen much worse – welcome to NYC

    If it were me, I’d take out 2 BR’s and move the walls to have a dining space and auxiliary room with just 2BR’s

    There are probably other options, but looks ok to meh

  • BH’er

    ps – is this the Magic Johnson building? wondering about the sales progress and when we’ll get to start meeting our new neighbors

  • stuart

    The floorplan is fine, nice even, who is complaining? a broker who is shut out?
    I just wish they would finish the project. It’s a condo, not an oil pipeline from the Yukon.

  • carol

    To compare it to BelTel where there are too many ‘home offices’ or storage rooms (i.e. no windows) is unfair. All the rooms in this apartment are legal habitable rooms have windows.

  • William Spier

    This is just one of the awful layouts at 20 Henry. And, as many of you know, the architect, Paulsen, once headed Landmarks! This one looks like a railroad flat. I don’t how you all would feel about buying a four bedroom railroad flat with an entrance into your living room, but, I’d pass on it.

    Now to the new construction: The units are small with minimal closet space; so small that they put the HVAC units against the glass that faces Poplar. Astonishing. The railing for the balconies that face Poplar look like they belong at Riker’s Island. Balconies are narrow and destined too be furnished with plastic lawn chairs. Nothing else will fit. The building’s outside architecture is not bad; the whole though deserves just a shrug.

    They did a pretty good job replacing the stucco on the Candy Factory, but have had to do significant remediation on new building construction. (Example: they forgot to put a window that opens in several rooms facing Poplar.) Then they got held up a few weeks because (I believe) when it rained the basement of the new construction became and indoor pool. Re-mediating that changed the outside of the new construction that faces the Candy Factory with something again to a 5 foot deep attach cement wading pool.

    You know, if these builders would start by hiring better architects and use union labor, they might have given the neighborhood spectacular results like the new addition to P.S. 8.

  • WillowSt.Neighbor

    William Spier,
    Are you saying the work was shoddy and that if union labor had done the job it would have been better?

  • stuart

    so it’s about union labor. I knew it had to be something other than the actual floorplan, which is perfectly nice.

    PS to Spier: look up “railroad flat” you have no idea what it is.

    I also think the new buildings are perfectly attractive.
    As I wrote before, I just wish they would get on with it and finish.

  • Andrew Porter

    William Spier: replacing the stucco on the Candy Factory? That building is brick; it has no stucco.

  • William Spier

    Andrew, the northeast facing wall is not brick faced. It was a very successful “modernist” change to the 19th century building.

    WillowSt.Neighbor: I stand by my statement that if this project had a union workforce, the quality of the whole project would be higher.
    I’ve watched the construction of the new building closely and I’d give pause before making a committment on this one.

    Finally, stuart, the layout in this unit sure looks like a railroad flat to me and I don’t think I am too far off here.

  • carol

    I know it’s fashionable to demean union labor but from the perspective of someone who has dealt with both, the union guys know the difference between high quality and inferior quality. I accept that not everyone wants to pay for high quality and as a homeowner you have a choice (which is not necessarily union vs non-union) but in larger projects I have found that union labor guys are better trained and much less likely to cut corners for the benefit of someone else’s profit. Does this cost more? Of course. Who benefits – the final user or buyer or the developer?

  • Andrew Porter

    A railroad flat is one room opening off of another, like railroad cars strung together. This is not a railroad flat.

    So the three *other* walls of the building were not stucco; only the wall “facing the northeast”. Thank you for almost admitting you were almost wrong.

  • Mr. Crusty

    Andrew once again you are wrong. Railroad Flats typically have a hallway as in the floor plan depicted. A floor plan where the rooms open into each other like railroad cars is actuall called A Shotgun House.