Brooklyn Bridge Park Field House Fosters More Criticism & Doubt

This time it’s The New York Times that’s weighing in on the increasingly controversial $40 million Field House proposed for Brooklyn Bridge Park.

In a lengthy story titled “A $40 Million Gift, a Proposed Bike Arena and Now Skepticism in Brooklyn,” writer Lisa Foderaro ventures that Joshua P. Rechnitz’s pledge to build a field house in BBP—the largest single gift in the history of New York City’s parks system—was originally “heralded as a much-needed boost for the 85-acre waterfront park.

“But attention quickly turned to the centerpiece of the plan: a velodrome with a 200-meter inclined indoor cycling track and stadium seating for almost 2,500 spectators. Now, some parkgoers, neighborhood activists and community leaders are looking that donation in the mouth and saying, Thanks, but no thanks.”

Leaders of community groups in Brooklyn Heights and DUMBO are loaded with questions specifically regarding the track, the Times says, worried about the building’s size (with a footprint of up to 70,000 square feet, it is larger than a football field) “and the traffic it might draw to the cobbled streets of Brooklyn Heights, while pointing out the relatively obscure nature of track cycling, in which riders on fixed-gear bicycles without brakes travel at terrific speeds around curves banked at 45-degree angles.”

The NYT adds that some also doubt Rechnitz’s motives: a 47-year-old resident of the Upper West Side, he is an avid amateur track cyclist who has tried and failed to bring a velodrome to the city. Now, they say he is buying the track he wants on public land.

Joan Zimmerman, president of the Fulton Ferry Landing Association, tells the NYT she is concerned that the park was already being nibbled away by structures, and “putting this large of a building at one of the narrower necks of the park raises the question of what’s more important: green space or buildings?”

But NYS assemblymember Joan Millman, who represents Brooklyn Heights and the area containing the park, supports it, in part because it would replace a rundown storage building near Pier 5 that she calls an “eyesore.” And Regina Myer, president of the Brooklyn Bridge Park Corp., which governs land use in the park, emphasizes that “it’s not taking away any green space; the plan always called for that location to be a maintenance building.”

In any case, the Field House has a long way to go before it becomes a reality in BBP. The Brooklyn Bridge Park Corporation must still approve the plan, which will also require state approval. There’s much more to read in the Times piece here.


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  • Rick

    And I still think that building the maintenance facility into the berms would be an excellent way to completely eliminate its footprint in the park!

    And while we’re at it, build a parking garage for the maintenance vehicles into the berm, too.

  • Monty

    @entitled whitey, if no one is going to show up for races, then why are we building it with seating for 2500 spectators? We want a facility that will be useful for lots of people. I think that attracting visitors is the whole point so anyone complaining about parking should just be saying they want the park closed. A generic gymnasium would be ideal. Barring that, greenspace or a turf field or something like it would get more use than a velodrome.

    Regarding the size of the structure, I doubt there is a single variable formula that the architect used. Size has be relative to utility. A 10,000 square foot facility that serves no purpose is too big. 150,000 square feet that is overflowing would be too small.

  • Mr. Crusty

    I know it is not a scientific poll but it is interesting none the less that the poll at the beginning of this thread shows overwhelming support for the Velodrome with over 70% saying it is a Great Idea.

  • Sceptic

    In The Eagle/HtsPress story Greg Brooks was comfortable with a $1.4 million annual operating cost for his velodrome (like the proposed track in Milton, Ont. (Can.). If he can entice 500 dedicated track cyclists to ante up, say, $500/yr membership fees, he’ll already hv his 1st $250,000. Then all he has to do is conjure up the rest. Why the City would ever want to be “given” a velodrome is the mystery. The indoor velodrome in Boulder CO went under this year after only 5 or 6 yrs in existence. This may not be a zebra, but it is very likely a white elephant.

    Classic ‘catch 22′: if Mr. Rechnitz can fill his 2,499 seats and stage his regional and international competitions, he’ll need someplace to park all the cars and vans which will bring the 200 plus riders and their brake-less custom bikes, and all their friends and families and fans from as far away as PA and MD and NH and VT (not just the tri-state area).
    And if he can’t, we’ll have a 5 or 6-story high velodrome to tear down.

  • yoohoo

    Today the New York Times reports that the “Pringle” velodrome in London was “sold out faster than any other Olympic site.”

    To get away for a moment from the track cycling controversy, does any of the experts here know minimum floor dimensions needed for gymnastics competitions to accommodate the rotation sites? I’m not thinking about World or even US Cup but state or regional competitions.

  • BH’er

    The velodrome seems like it takes up a generous amount of space in an area where space is at a premium and access is comparatively restricted – this sounds like a better fit for Randall’s Island where there is plenty of space and access via car, bus and foot/bike

    Given the space constraints of BBP, it seems to me that a more general purpose venue (lawns, playing fields, pools and the like) that can be used in a variety of ways by a broader constituency would be a much better fit

    The velodrome participants (and audience) seems to be a very specific population and this sounds like it would have a very low utilization rate for such precious little real estate available in this space

    Traffic on the BQE is bad enough without adding a few thousand travelers for 6-day biking events from time to time

    A multi-purpose gym and aquatic center would do far more to serve the local Brooklyn community

  • Neighbor Hood

    @MrCrusty- yes I think the poll #’s are fascinating. Especially since they were flipped the last time I looked 2-1 AGAINST and the poll itself is ridiculously designed to split the for and against votes in half respectively by basically making what is a 2 question choice into 4 questions.
    Yeah, it’s a real “aight” polling process.

  • Bloomy

    As far as I see it there are only three options.

    1) The current building as it stands for maintenance

    2) Build the Field House as proposed by Mr. Rechnitz

    3) Start a fundraiser and generate more money than Mr. Rechnitz so you can build what YOU want.

    So unless #3 happens asap there are no options for pools, general purpose gyms, and all the other stuff mentioned above. To me the velodrome brings something new to the neighborhood, without taking much away from it. And yeah, potentially the space could be more efficiently, but there are always comprises. Turning away $40million in favor of some more grass space is just a waste to me.

    Finally, remember if track space in the building is a complete failure in 10 years the city can always rip it out, and you are left with a large space that can be reconfigured however you want.

  • Neighbor Hood

    @Bloomy- ” if track space in the building is a complete failure in 10 years the city can always rip it out, and you are left with a large space that can be reconfigured however you want.”
    So the park then has a 40 mill building to pay maintenance and reconfiguration costs on? Perfect…then y’all will be in a favor of building a Walmart in the park because hey, how else can we get the revenue to maintain the Velodrome?

  • Rick

    I don’t think Steven and Vanessa will abide a Walmart being built so close to their apartment…

  • Bloomy

    @Neighbor Hood – The city will have to pay maintenance costs on any other type of “field house” in that location, so I don’t really see what your point is.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/13189502@N02/ Eddyenergizer

    backtobasics, okay there is a lot of ambiguity as to the size of a city block. the one I had measured was on the east side which are smaller than the blocks on the west side. so I found a block in the nabe that’s very close to 115,000 Sq. ft. Montague Pierrepont Hicks Henry.

  • Wiley E.

    Steven and Vanessa own stock in Walmart. They could watch their money grow while they drink their cognac at 1 BBP.

  • She’s Crafty

    I’ve reconsidered my stance, and am actually in favor of this. I like the idea of having an obscure sport here.

  • Rick

    @She’s Crafty

    Your post inspired me to look for some other obscure sports we could enjoy in the park, and my favorite new discovery is Kaninhop.

    Try a Google Images search for Kaninhop, you’ll be glad you did!

    From Wikipedia:

    Rabbit show jumping (sometimes known as rabbit dressage or rabbit hopping) is a competition in which trained domestic rabbits leap over appropriately sized obstacles. The activity began in the late 1970s in Sweden (where it is known as Kaninhoppning). There are more than fifty rabbit show jumping clubs throughout Scandinavia.

    Some people compare rabbit show jumping to equestrian show jumping. Trainers and devotees can win titles and awards during events sponsored by groups such as the U.S. Rabbit Agility Association, Rabbithopping-USA, the American Association of Sporting Events for Rabbits, 4-H Club fairs, and other venues. Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway and the United Kingdom hold local and nationally sanctioned events.

  • She’s Crafty

    @Rick, I love it. Can we get that, please?

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/13189502@N02/ Eddyenergizer

    I say we have a vote on which obscure sport should be at the park.
    http://list25.com/the-25-most-obscure-sports-in-the-world/

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/13189502@N02/ Eddyenergizer

    A few more to choose from
    http://obscuresports.tumblr.com/

  • Neighbor Hood

    @Eddyenergizer- in the spirit of your idea I suggest that we scrap the Velodrome and go all in and build us a….
    THUNDERDOME!
    Bloomberg will officiate (for a period of no less than 3 terms) as the remaining middle class folks he hasn’t managed to price out of the city, fight each other to the death in a steel cage* with a 45 degree inclined track, using nothing but cigarettes and 16.5 ounce sodas as weapons. (*steel cage construction to be awarded to the Tichman Companies, no other bids accepted)
    The winner gets to live, AND gets a 1 hour Bike Share rental (fixed gear, no brakes only).
    The looser gets the traffic calming measure of their choice (bike lane, neck down etc) named in their honor.
    In the event of a tie, the winner will be decided by the Grand Judges: Ratner, Rechnitz & Millman, or a similar panel of our betters.
    I would also like to propose we start fundraising (a hotdog sale?) to raise the money to book Tina Turner for the Thunderdome opening ceremonies.
    Remember, only the revenue and prestige that comes from a
    Thunderdome can ensure that we get a world class park.

  • Bloomy

    @Neighbor Hood

    Nicely done, that gave me a good laugh this morning. :)

  • Wiley E.

    Let’s present a budget for Thunderdome to the BBP. Tina Turner is a must.

  • Rick

    Maybe in return for being allowed to have a store in the park T.J.Maxx will provide funding for building “T.J.Maxx Beyond Thunderdome”.

  • yoohoo

    If the velodrome site were to be converted into a venue for equestrian dressage and show jumping events, with horse stables and a barn attached, would these “elite” sports please you more? After all, that would bring a class atmosphere to the park.

  • yoohoo
  • http://julianhsiung.com Julian

    Nimbys!! Get that damn thing out of this park!

  • JG

    So Brooklyn gets a gift a freebie o $40m to bult a bike track and some additional rec areas.(closed and secure) and peeps want to reject the money in favorof more green parks for drugs and shhotings after dark. Enough kids arent getting knocked down by cars due to lack of a bike track in Brooklyn? Since when is bike riding a rich mans sport and a pool for swimming is not? Dont we have enough BBall courts and a big Park in Brooklyn already? Arnt there a few golf courses with much greenery for very few users in Brooklyn? Arent there enough free pools with every day ‘incidents’ in Broklyn??

    Maybe a huge condo blocking all the air and views would serve the area better than a drom with access for a few other sports. The old one in Queens is still used by lots of peeps from all over NYC since it is the only one and others go to NJ to use theirs maybe thats why they seem so few. Or maybe they are riding in and out and in between tracfficin Brooklyn instead!

    Wanna bet the track will always be packed because its indoors and accessible to all boroughs quickly, Brooklyn being the center? And Im sure peeps will park at parking areas a few blocks from the area and wheel their bikes in anyway. The funny thing is many of those who complain probably have bikes and as casual tiders have a little jealousy in them for more atheletic riders.. Or maybe they are plain selfish !

  • Andrew Porter

    JG, I’ve never experienced a “shhoting”? Is it fun? And how did “peeps” enter this conversation? Aren’t they restricted to Easter?

    Two weeks later, is there any more clarity on this situation? I watched the Velodrome events at the Olympics, and the large, windowless box they were held in did not seem a suitable use for prime harborside space. Also, of course, the bikes used are specialized—like comparing regular cars to those used at the Indianapolis 500.