Comments on: Fish Monger Foes Hassle Jack the Horse Patrons http://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085 Dispatches from America's first suburb Fri, 03 May 2024 21:04:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.2 By: TooChe Guevarahttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-2#comment-206377 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:23:21 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-206377 If you look at this photoset http://bit.ly/3FSpEH you’ll see the same people in the photo. I’m guessing they never worked for Wild Edibles and are just instigators. They contribute nothing to society or the workers they claim to represent other than sucking them dry of their fake union dues. They are no better than the pay day loan companies and other pernicious entities who prey upon the poor under the premise of being helpful.

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By: my2centshttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-2#comment-200983 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:24:58 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-200983 Also, can I just say for a second how disgusting i think it is that these so called defenders of the workers get paid (by whom I have no idea) to do nothing but loiter outside and shout slogans while Tim literally works 16-plus hours a day on his feet in a hot kitchen? I live on this block and I see him there routinely til 1am. No one should lecture him about hard work or long hours.

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By: my2centshttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-200981 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:19:36 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-200981 Those jerks were out again last night. I saw them accosting Tim outside. He was talking to them but seemed rather exasperated.

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By: The Wherehttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-200966 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:38:16 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-200966 Mr. Guy these cretins are not protesters they are leeches who suck the blood of the worker under the guise of advocacy. I suggest they pool their ample trustfunds and open their own fish monger . One thing is for sure the smell of tuna will not repel them except perhaps for the males.

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By: nabeguyhttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-200956 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:19:59 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-200956 Gee, Where, you’re welcome wagon reeks of dead fish!

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By: The Wherehttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-200795 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:14:19 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-200795 Maybe he’s just not that into you. Shave your armpits. Stay out of our neighorhood.

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By: my2centshttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-200695 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:28:53 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-200695 To summarize your comment, you sent him a letter on August 15th, and you called him on June 29th. All these refusals you point out are from ONE phone call, so don’t represent them as separate “attempts.”
That is real persistence there Stephanie. And less than 10 days after that single phone call you picket his restaurant. Wow. You guys really tried to get him to come around before alienating him.
We should send you to the middle east as special envoy given all your diplomatic skill.

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By: Stephanie Basilehttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-200679 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:30:54 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-200679 Communication between Brandworkers and Tim Oltmans:

We initially sent Mr. Oltmans a letter on August 15 informing him of Wild Edible’s labor violations and requesting that he please contact us. He failed to contact us. My colleague Daniel called him, with no resolution.

Months later, Mr. Oltmans continues to knowingly buy seafood from a labor law violator.

On Monday, June 29, I called Jack the Horse and spoke to Mr. Oltmans. He said he is already aware of the labor dispute and is not interested in having a dialogue about this issue.

During this conversation, I offered to show Mr. Oltmans legal documents detailing Wild Edibles’ labor violations. He refused. I offered to set up a meeting for him to meet with the workers. He refused. I asked if he could perhaps get back to me later in the week. He refused.

After making these attempts to initiate dialogue, we feel it is appropriate to inform Jack the Horse’s customers of the labor violations of Wild Edibles.

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By: my2centshttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-200255 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:36:41 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-200255 It is one thing to protest in front of a restaurant that is itself doing something bad (like China Grill was), but to protest in front of a restaurant whose supplier is doing something wrong is really unfair to that restaurant. They should be using their time to focus on pressuring and embarassing the people they have a grievance with, not small business owners. It is ultimately up to Tim if he is happy with his vendor, and they could have used diplomacy, tact and persuasion privately to convince him to drop Wild Edibles. Instead Tim is probably like f-you! I’ll keep buying from them, you jerks! No brains in that camp. They are alienating the restaurant owners who could actually bring pressure on Wild Edibles by switching suppliers. Talk about self defeating. But hey protesting is a lot easier than persuading.

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By: Jazzhttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-200235 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:47:49 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-200235 This is the lamest thing to protest over ever. Where you salmon is raised really, seriously does not amount to a hill of beans. As for the workers at Wild Edibles I’m sure they can find a job lifting, packing and whining practically anywhere. It’s not like they need language skills, education or experience. Come on people!

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By: joshhttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-200233 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:45:21 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-200233 for one, unions are part of what made this country great, and deregulation and union busting starting in the 80’s with bozo reagan led to the financial crisis this country is in now.

for two, farmed raised salmon pollute the water they’re in causing algae blooms which in turn kill many of the fish in the area. farm raised salmon also are believed to contain high levels of carcinogens.

i like JtH too, but they can do a better job of choosing their vendors.

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By: BklynJacehttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-200162 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:17:24 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-200162 Whoa. You’re talking about two very different Daniel Grosses here. The financial journalist and the activist share a name, nothing else.

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By: BrooklynFoodiehttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-200043 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:37:56 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-200043 Thank you, Steve.

Do you guys know Daniel Gross?! The dude went to Harvard and Cornell and writes a blog called “Moneyblog”. Come on, now. If you can’t figure out his interests from that, you’re blind. He’s not out to help anyone – he’s out to get his cut.

“Cheating workers, cheating customers”? – If you’re referring to the farmed/wild salmon debate, you’ve gotta get a new cause in life. There are bigger issues than that!

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By: Stevehttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199997 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:57:44 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199997 Sorry bout that. I continue: will find that Gross is a wannabee and a pawn in an agenda that has nothing to do with workers rights. I have been following this closely for 3 years now and I say enough is enough! Brandworkers and Gross take full advantage of a playing field tilted unfairly in their direction and do not have to worry about being accountable to the truth. Along the way Martin has suffered irreparable damage in the press by idiots (NY Mag Bloggers, Crain’s, etc.) that are complete spineless fools ore crooks like Gross. Karma baby!! It all comes around in the end!

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By: chef13http://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199972 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:28:32 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199972 I have been using wild edibles for 3 years with no problems. Can’t complain here!

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By: hoppyhttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199965 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:33:52 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199965 I can never take seriously anyone wearing a Jaegermeister T-shirt.

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By: Darremhttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199959 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:51:10 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199959 “these people are idiots…unions have long outlived their usefulness in this country…instead of trying to work with owners to reach an amicable middle ground . . . “

Possibly the most asinine comment I’ve read on the internet in a long time.

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By: ABChttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199953 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:09:20 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199953 Also, regarding “these people who really aren’t aware of what the implications of unionizing would do”, I’m always suspect when people think they know what’s best in other peoples’ interests. I know they wanted to get paid the overtime they worked. Wild Edibles finally agreed — when sued — that okay, I guess we should do that.

Meanwhile, to sign off on a high note, I recently asked a Trader Joe’s employee if they got health insurance. Turns out TJs gives all full-time employees full health benefits and defines “full-time” generously (21 hours or more.. something like that)

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By: Jose Uribehttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199952 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:59:20 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199952 Scumbag may have been a tad strong. But I don’t think one can totally ignore how annoying it is to be preached to by self righteous recent college grads who don’t have to work for a living. I mean, I know some of the folks from JTH and they work hard to operate a good business. Most of JTH’s patrons also work hard for the privilege to live in this neighborhood. I don’t think it is too much to ask these “protesters” (none of whom look like they ever worked in a wharehouse) to behave in a more mature and respectful manner. The same goes for all the bearded teva wearing trust fund kids who harass people on Montague St. on behalf of Greenpeace, ACLU etc . . .

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By: ABChttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199951 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:58:02 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199951 “BrooklynFoodie” – I’m not telling you what to eat. Wild Edibles took farmed salmon and packaged and sold and charged for wild salmon (routinely 3x the price). I’m not talking about the fish, I’m talking about cheating people. Cheating workers, cheating customers. They dont have a great record.

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By: AEBhttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199945 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:09:43 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199945 “Trustfund scumbag”? No class antipathy there! Would you say, “working-class scumbag”?

And indeed–as a point of information–whose rights ARE Brandworkers attempting to protect?

I take no sides–I haven’t sufficient information. But history is, as they say, on the side of those who picket.

Perhaps this is a tempest in a teapot. But the reflexive hostility toward the (perhaps too) idealistic young on the part of some posters is worth noting.

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By: BrooklynFoodiehttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199943 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:56:02 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199943 Daniel Gross is a trustfund scumbag himself. He recruits these people because everyone wants to have a cause. Wild Edibles has lost countless customers because of these people who (a) really aren’t aware of what the implications of unionizing would do and (b) aren’t thinking about the Wild Edibles workers who are against unionizing and are suffering as a result.

“ABC” – Sustainable fish is better for the environment and more companies are moving to sustainable these days. Sorry you can’t always get your wild salmon when the populations are dwindling.

I’ve been following this story and if you’ve been reading about it for the past few years, it’s clear that Wild Edibles is trying to maintain an honest business while Daniel Gross and the Brandworkers are throwing out pointless attacks in the name of “workers rights” – whose “rights” are they protecting?

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By: Matthttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199924 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:35:59 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199924 I’ve never been to JtH, but am looking forward to going…

…often…

…and ordering seafood every time.

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By: ABChttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199916 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:16:27 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199916 Can’t say I’m a huge fan of Wild Edibles. They’ve admitted to not paying workers earned pay. They were caught by the Times as selling farmed salmon as “wild salmon”. They started a new company to get around growing boycott. There are a lot of fish guys in the NY. I wouldn’t choose to use these guys.

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By: BklynJacehttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199908 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:42:07 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199908 Just became a huge fan of Wild Edibles.

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By: Barthttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199898 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:24:11 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199898 Jack the Horse is a fine establishment. It serves good food and pays it taxes. It is a great restaurant in our neighborhood. The only thing these people did is make me want to go to JtH to show my support. Honestly people, waste your lives somewhere else!

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By: AEBhttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199891 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:11:11 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199891 Was the protest useful? Well, here it is, featured in a BH post–and here we are reading about it and commenting.

So their message–whether you like it or not–is out. Or further out then it was before their demonstration.

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By: yohttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199889 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:08:58 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199889 and look at them…would you take any of the people in the pictures seriously??? talk about a group of bored trust fund babies…

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By: yohttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199887 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:07:09 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199887 these people are idiots…unions have long outlived their usefulness in this country…instead of trying to work with owners to reach an amicable middle ground (if it exists), these spineless, lazy morons show up to “protest” businesses, often misrepresenting the facts while doing so. unfortunately, suing for defamation or libel is not cost-effective for just about any small business, so these worms get away with it time after time…

I’m not for or against wild edibles as I don’t know much about their particular situation, but that doesn’t make union intimidation tactics any less despicable…

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By: heightsdihohttp://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/11085/comment-page-1#comment-199886 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:05:28 +0000 http://brooklynheightsblog.com/?p=11085#comment-199886 “Their fish is crazy” is a crazy statement – or at the very least, bizarre. Bring on the insane sea-life! And Sam, I agree w/ you on that trout salad – very tasty!

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